Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Mastretta


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus to do anything -- Y not? 14:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

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This stub has been abandoned for 2 and a half years without any sources (the latest change was from an admin who added sorces so that it wouldn't be speed deleted)... How is this person important? A person that designed a prototype car. The issue was covered on a couple of specialized online car magazines back then. The supossed car hasn't even reached production. From what I understand of the notability guidelines, this is in no way notable. Just because there are a couple of online magazine articles mentioning this person's name it doesn't mean we should have an article for him. I mean if you type any person's name these days on google you're likely to get results... Cerealito (talk) 20:39, 1 November 2009 (UTC) Cerealito (talk) 20:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Neither ref is an "online magazine," they're major Australian and UK newspapers, respectively. That aside, if we decide Daniel Mastretta is not independently notable then a merge to Mastretta would be more in order, I think. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:22, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I wasn't specifically talking about the references that were cited in the article, but about the more general coverage that we can find in google... Taking into consideration all the web results that I can find, there hasn't been significant coverage, specially taking into account that notability is not temporary.Cerealito (talk) 21:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Besides, this is a biography of a living person whose bio perfecly qualifies as unencyclopedic: he's been cited in secondary sources because of a single event (designing a prototype car). This means that the media coverage (which is itself quite mediocre and non significant) was made BECAUSE of the car and not because of him.Cerealito (talk) 21:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions.  —Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:40, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Neutral. I added two readily available sources to the article, in order to document the claimed notability (the subject designed Mexico's first sports car). Since notability was claimed, CSD A7 didn't fit - but I agree that notability is thin on the ground, with this article. I cannot find evidence that the car ever made it into production, which is a problem. Should the article be deleted? Meh. But I will say this - if the article is to be deleted, then I would recommend a merge to Mastretta which, I note, is also tagged for Notability. UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 19:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget  22:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment Ultra, we shouldnt get too hung-up over the presence of a notability tag, it's quite often an argument from ignorance or the result of somebody not doing serious searching.  I added the following six refs to the Mastretta page, many of them also mention Mr. Mastretta.  At the very least he should redirect to Mastretta
 * (seems to have ed oversight, eg RS, should be looked into
 * Power.corrupts (talk) 10:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * (seems to have ed oversight, eg RS, should be looked into
 * Power.corrupts (talk) 10:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Power.corrupts (talk) 10:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Power.corrupts (talk) 10:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Power.corrupts (talk) 10:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  I 'mperator 20:00, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Again, all the references are about THE EVENT. Not about THE GUY. Very nice research work, but the notability of the guy is still near 0. Cerealito (talk) 13:30, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup, right, but what concerned me is that there were so few sources in Spanish. If he (and his brother) pulls this feat off, it's quite remarkable. At the face of it, he (they) should be notable in Mexico. I had expected a swell of Mexican general press, business magazines etc - but nil turns up.  I suspect some sort of bias in Google. I just felt it's odd.  Power.corrupts (talk) 14:57, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  --  I 'mperator 20:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep or at the very least Merge with Mastretta Design I've added an article from CNN (Mexico) about him, his family, the company, and the car. I've also added his official biography from the Bienal Iberoamericana de Diseño which fleshes out a few more biographical details. Actually, I ended up here by 'accident' as this is listed at list of Music-related deletion discussions. Why? As for the lack of coverage in the Mexican press, I suspect there was a lot, but almost all of the papers archives are subscription only and deliberately hidden (by the papers) from Google news search. Voceditenore (talk) 10:45, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The tenor's comments moves me into keep. Prima facie notable, sources exist beyond reasonable doubt, no immediate Google footprint due to various WP:BIAS issues. Power.corrupts (talk) 21:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Merge to Mastretta Design. Based on the available sourcing, the notability of the two articles stem from the same coverage and represent the same things from a notability standpoint. -- Whpq (talk) 20:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: Delete. Clearly does not meet WP:BAND. Seriously though, why is this listed on Deletion sorting/Music? &mdash; Gwalla | Talk 23:13, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.