Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Mayora


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 23:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Daniel Mayora

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Minor League Baseball player who has not played in any league higher than an AA (this year) and does not pass the drafted (with much consensus) WikiProject Baseball/Notability guidelines. There is debate within WP:Baseball about minor league players qualifying as "fully professional"

Good faith search (use quotes) brings up passing mention in articles about the team, no significant coverage of the subject, which means he fails the General notability guidelines. kelapstick (talk) 23:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: This individual appears to be pass WP:BIO. The above search for sources was only for the past month. This Google News Archive search returns many more results. Cunard (talk) 23:53, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Good catching that, you may want to check most of my other searches (in the last part I was copy/paste the name into my google search), but is that "significant coverage" or more passing mention in an article about the team?--kelapstick (talk) 00:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:ATHLETE.-- Giants27 T/  C  01:25, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment He passes WP:ATHLETE because he has apparently played in at least 4 different professional leagues. FYI, In one of the leagues (the South Atlantic League) he was named as a League All-Star.--Rockfang (talk) 03:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Come back if/when "WikiProject Baseball/Notability guidelines" actually becomes a guideline. AfD hero (talk) 06:38, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Mr. Mayora is at the AA level this year, after playing rookie ball and class A. I disagree that being an all-star in the Class A South Atlantic League would justify any type of entitlement.  It's a sign that he is more notable than other players at the class A level, but there is no rule that requires us to set aside a page for any person who received an honor in any league.  Delete for now, but come back if those proposed guidelines actually become a guideline, or if Mayora makes it to the majors. Mandsford (talk) 12:54, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Colorado Rockies minor league players. Spanneraol (talk) 14:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * comment player does not pass Notability (sports) which is a more lax guideline than the proposed notability guideline either. --kelapstick (talk) 15:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well if you are linking that page then he passes that page. According to the link to the MiLB.com website posted he "was named to both the SAL Mid-Season and Post-Season All-Star teams". This is noting the page you just based that reasoning on states "been selected for any minor league baseball All-star game in the affiliated minor leagues." Borgarde (talk) 06:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out, my mistake.--kelapstick (talk) 15:07, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep I've fixed a bad link, added the awards section, added several refs, and a link to an article about him. This puts me over to the keep side, but I'd really like to see one or two more solid refs.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  19:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge fails WP:ATHLETE Secret account 18:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Minor leagues are fully professional, therefore he passes WP:ATHLETE in the most obvious possible manner. It states A person is generally notable if they meet any of the following standards ... People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport AfD hero (talk) 18:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not the highest level, and there is questions that minor league baseball is in fact "fully proffesional". 147.70.79.163 (talk) 12:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Minor league baseball is fully professional by any standard definition of the term. The players derive their financial income from playing in the league. Now, there is a small contingent of editors who want to delete minor league players, but rather than change WP:Athlete (this would be difficult), they are instead trying to lawyer around it, nitpicking terms like "fully". AfD hero (talk) 19:10, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I certainly hope you didn't mean that comment the way it sounded. Reasonable people can disagree on the definition of fully professional, and have. Is fully professional someone who earns $1 from something? Earns the equivalent of part-time minimum wage? Full-time minimum wage? Earns enough to raise a family and buy a modest house? Is a league fully professional if every player earns whatever amount makes one fully professional, or is it fully professional if at least one player earns that much? Do we include as compensation the fact that minor leaguers often get free board with a family, or do we consider that to be like living in their parents' basement? I'm sorry you see these as nitpicking questions, but I assure you they are not. (And you might also notice that although I think these are valid questions which need answers, I also !voted keep on this and several other articles.)-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  20:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If the minor league is the primary source of income for the majority of players, then they are fully professional. AfD hero (talk) 04:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And do you know for a fact that it's the primary source of income for the majority of the players? They don't have jobs in the off season? Their parents aren't supporting them? Girlfriends aren't supporting them? I've known a couple of minor leaguers (one is currently in A ball, the other eventually had a cup of coffee in the bigs), and for both of them at lower levels their income was definitely heavily supplemented by other means. But as a sabrhead stathead, I know that two is a laughably small sample size, so I'm wondering if you can help with documentation.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  14:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete based on how I interpret WP:ATHLETE, I would tend to say that this player DOES NOT meet those requirements put forth on the page. Mandermagic (talk) 00:26, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:V, there's sources, it's verifiable, it's not original research and it's neutral. Hiding T 10:51, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Per the conversation above on "fully professional"..Minor league basebal minimum salaries per
 * Triple-A--First year: $2,150/month, after first year no less than $2,150/month
 * Class AA-First year: $1,500/month, after first year no less than $1,500/month
 * Class A (full season)--First year: $1,050/month, after first year no less than $1,050/month
 * Class A (short-season)--First year: $850/month, after first year no less than $850/month

So I think AAA players can probably live on those salaries, A ball players... not so much. Spanneraol (talk) 16:24, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Particularly when you consider those salaries are just for the months they are playing.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  17:18, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.