Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Oliver Guion


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Participants favoring deletion demonstrated far stronger arguments which poked holes in both the assertion that the subject is notable and that the references sufficiently illustrated this. ✗ plicit  05:46, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Daniel Oliver Guion

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Fails WP:GNG as a commander. Lettlerhello • contribs 23:22, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS to meet WP:GNG, sources are passing mentions and the only significant coverage is of his death. Long and completely irrelevant details regarding his wife and her will. As with the page for his brother Gardiner Henry Guion this is a complete cluster of a geneology project. Mztourist (talk) 07:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete As per above, It lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS to meet WP:GNG. DmitriRomanovJr (talk) 19:08, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment. He wasn't a commander. He was a captain. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:42, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notability guidelines exist to avoid the creation of of poorly-written, unverifiable, and promotional articles. This is none of those things. It looks to me like a well-written, stable, and neutral article that is verifiable to reliable sources. Now, if the sources are unreliable, that's a problem, but nobody's even claimed that: only that he fails to meet a nebulously defined threshold of being "important enough". jp×g 04:33, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, jp×g 04:33, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep The nomination still seems to be clinging to WP:SOLDIER even though it has been deprecated. The person's rank is not a reason to delete and, in any case, the nomination gets it wrong. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:19, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Andrew passes WP:BASIC as per coverage. DmitriRomanovJr (talk) 10:23, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Per Mztourist. I don't see much in the way of RS...just a collection of genealogy websites and what is likely OR in archives. I suspect it's stable because no one looks at it. Intothatdarkness 16:02, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete based on current content. The article doesn't clearly indicate, or emphasize, what made the subject notable as a military person. However, it does clearly emphasize who his father's friends were, who were his distant relatives of the same religion, and who his wife left bequests to in her will. I might reconsider my recommendation if the article received a significant rewrite. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:04, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Comments on the sources: Henry Cort, Quirks of History is a personal website that refers to the subject's father (also named Daniel), not the subject himself. "Archive of the Royal Navy" is too vague a citation to be identifiable. Royal Naval Biography; or Memoirs of the services ... might be a useful source, but it's a work that was published in several volumes, each of which has multiple copies available at the Internet Archive, and I don't know which volume the article about Daniel Guion might be in. Saint George (98) 1785 appears to be part of a personal website, on which the subject is briefly mentioned twice. Strandingsmuseum St. George does not appear to mention the subject. "Archive of the Albers/Lips family in the Netherlands" is too vague a citation to be identifiable. and  are genealogy pages. HumphrysFamilyTree.com is a genealogy web page which does not mention the subject. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:33, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I disagree with JPxG over whether the purpose of our notability guidelines to avoid the creation of of poorly-written, unverifiable, and promotional articles. In any case, they are doing a terrible job in this regard. And this is a poorly-written article. I strongly advise anyone writing an article and wishing to avoid a speedy deletion at the hands of the New Page Patrol to clearly state, preferably in the first paragraph of the lead, what it is that makes the subject worthy of an article. Instead, the lead tells me that he was a Royal Navy officer (should have said captain), had relatives who were not notable, had business dealings with some folks, one of whom was notable (I bought a copy of Microsoft Windows 10, so I'll put myself down as having business dealings with Bill Gates), and another was a good the friend of someone notable, and he lived opposite Royal Navy HQ. We are then left to puzzle out whether his career gives him notability. What we are given is three paragraphs (two of them unsourced) which avoid telling us enough to make such a determination. For example, the source supplied says that he was lost when St George went down on 24 December 1811, but the article avoids telling us this! Hawkeye7   (discuss)  22:28, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete but copy content to Commons picture first. Fails NBIO but he can preserve this content by adding it to the Commons image page. Image is in PD and there are no limits on the size of descriptions, are they? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:48, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.