Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Rae Costello


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 03:42, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Daniel Rae Costello

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Per WP:MUSICBIO. Mutt Lunker (talk) 04:32, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * keep -- If not meeting WP:GNG then very very close. is probably not enough to establish notability alone, but has enough of a mention in     to push it over the edge. Someone with access to a greater number of Fijian and Pacific Island news sources will probably be able to find more and make this a crystal clear keep. --  Shudde  talk 04:48, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Fiji's MOST recognised musician and probably the best known musician in the South Pacific, semi-retired nowadays but that shouldn't matter, with over 30 albums and he toured New Zealand last year. An article like this should go through an AfD where it can be noticed, instead if twas PROD'ed thus i had to find an admin who was involved in fiji related topics to restore it...There isn't much i could do about the Link rot, i wrote the article in late 2008, If you are aware of media in fiji, not much gets published ONLINE, its mainly print since the 70's ..-- Stemoc 05:09, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - This man is a household name in Fiji. Not surprised if you've never heard of him, but some people in Fiji have probably never heard of the Beatles. So what? The sources mentiond by the previous three users can be added to the article, too. I'll have a crack at it when I get home from work later on. David Cannon (talk) 07:17, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - There is only one source noted at the article, The Samoa Observer, which even hints at notability. The recent addition that he is featured on Reverbnation and Last.FM falls very far short of fulfilling WP:MUSICBIO and denotes only that he has recorded music essentially; the former site is, as I understand it, effectively a self-publishing one anyway. My nomination was purely down to the lack of indication of notability at the article. If, as @Shudde says, there are in fact reliable sources which do indicate his notability, fine, finding them and adding them may resolve the matter. If he truly is a household name anywhere, sources will exist. Going straight to the gutter and shrilly accusing me of racist motives at my talk page is astonishing, baseless and unbecoming, particularly for an admin. Mutt Lunker (talk) 08:57, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I did not accuse you of racist motivations. I did say that is the only rationale that would "justify" doing nothing about the built-in bias towards large countries and "dominant" (read Anglo-Saxon) cultures. You've heard of the Beatles, right? Of course you have; you're an English-speaker and they're part of your culture (and mine). So it's natural that we'd consider them "notable" without a second thought. Haven't heard of Costello? Maybe not; he's not part of your culture (or mine) - so our built in bias is against recognizing his notability. That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist! Yes, I used hyperbole on your talk page, because I think we English-speakers (certainly including myself) tend to have a certain blind spot towards other cultures. We just don't know what we don't know. David Cannon (talk) 09:11, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * And none of this has anything to do with my nomination. It may have been weasel-worded but you clearly accused me of racism, "unless we are racists who regard their cultures as worthless". Who are you addressing if not me? Again above you assume what my motivations and prejudices are. I'm sure the culture he is from, which at least in part and in addition is an English-speaking one, has reliable sources available and to suggest otherwise would appear to belittle it. They were not listed in the article despite the apparent attempt to find them, suggesting that they may not be there because he is not notable. I did not nominate the article because the subject is apprently non-notable in my culture but because there was insufficient indication that there was notability in his own. If he is in fact notable, no problem but let's demonstrate it. To excuse the requirement for the demonstration of notability for any article leaves us open to the inclusion of fan sites without redress and introduces a systemic bias of its own. Other contributors here are calmly and constructively sticking to the matter at hand, so I would advise you to drop baseless hyperbolics from your arsenal. If the end result is an improved article where notability is no longer under question I'd be delighted but let's stick to the issues with the article, not the imagined motives of the contributors to the discussion. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:22, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Now that I've been away for a couple of hours, I can see that my poor choice of words gave you reason to read into my statement an accusation of racism that was not intended. I was being sarcastic, and this is the wrong forum to do that. For that I apologise. David Cannon (talk) 11:47, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, happy to drop the discussion about racism. Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * keep per http://natlib.govt.nz/items?utf8=%E2%9C%93&text=Daniel+Rae+Costello http://tokelau.org.nz/Bulletin/August+2014+pre-SIDS/My+Tokelau+song+launched+for+SIDS.html and http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=2049225 Closing admin welcome to ping me to help tidy the article if kept. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:41, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:16, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:16, 7 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep. Some relevant quotes found on The Fiji Times
 * "His (Laisenia Tuedrea's) live music experience went up another level when he was invited to be part of local music legend Daniel Rae Costello's band, The Cruzez"
 * "True Harmony was originally recorded by Daniel Rae Costello in 1997 and became a hit both locally and in the region."
 * Unfortunately The Fiji Times archives don't work very well and don't appear to go back that far.
 * Some other hits were
 * Life and times of an icon - Fiji Times Online
 * Feb 14, 2010 ... The late Daniel Costello, widely known as Big Dan .... It's a time in my life that I will never forget," reminisced Danny Rae Costello. In fact, it was ...
 * Danny calls the islands - Fiji Times Online
 * Jan 4, 2009 ... WATCH out Oceania, Daniel Rae Costello is back and ready to rock 2009. The man with one of the most natural voices in the region has not ...
 * Willie wows 'em all - Fiji Times Online
 * Jul 19, 2010 ... Organiser Daniel Rae Costello and his band, The Cruzez, also delivered two of their most memorable hits Take Me To The Island and Samba ...
 * "Life and times of an icon" looks like it would be a VERY useful reference.
 * Enough for GNG. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:29, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


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