Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danish Sheikh


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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:21, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Danish Sheikh

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I came across this as an A7, but the article does have two sources- enough to where there is enough of an assertion of notability for speedy deletion criteria. I wasn't able to find much else via a search on Google or on the Indian English Newspapers Search, so I'm bringing this to AfD. Even if his claims of being the first charisma coach are correct (a dubious claim considering that this sort of coach has existed in various formats throughout the years) that isn't automatically something that would make him notable and the coverage just doesn't seem to be there. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  08:13, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:57, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:57, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Reply to Tokyogirl79 Hi, charisma coach is a relatively new profession similar to a life coach. Going by your comment, Life coaching has existed in various formats for centuries too but we still have noted life coaches like Tony Robbins today. Similarly, Charisma Coach is legitimate new profession. A coach who teaches people how to become more charismatic on the basis of various psychological and scientific studies done by behavioural scientists and research institutions across the world. For example: Olivia Fox Cabane is considered the most famous coach in USA. You may google her. Olivia has also written a book called "Charisma Myth". Similarly, Eric Feng is another popular charisma coach based out of Singapore. In India, Danish Sheikh has been attributed to start the trend of charisma coaching. No other coach in India has offered anything like this to date. If his work wouldn't have been noteworthy, why would two reputed media publications Yahoo! and Outlook magazine chose to do a dedicated feature and interview with him? Hence I feel Danish fulfils the notability criteria. I will add more notable references from rediff.com soon. --Sharafat143 (talk) 19:36, 18 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.194.102.248 (talk) 19:27, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The issue here is whether or not there has been a depth of coverage. Making a claim of being the only one or one of the few to do something can make it more likely that someone will be notable but this is not a guarantee and it does not mean that someone will be automatically notable. So far there are only two sources which at this point is not going to be enough to show notability since they were published fairly recently and at about the same time- in other words, there's not a true depth of coverage which is what is going to be necessary to show notability. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  06:31, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Sharafat143 (talk) 07:06, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I see your point. So what do you suggest? Do you think we can wait for a few days to find and add more reputed sources or shall I go ahead and delete it myself?
 * By the way in the Yahoo! interview the claim is made by the Yahoo! editor Khristina Jacob, that he is the only man in India who teaches charisma. he didnt claim it explicitly himself. I am sure Yahoo! News must have done their own research on him before featuring him on their home page with such a tall claim. Your thoughts?
 * There's no harm in letting the AfD run its course. If he does end up getting more coverage before the week is up to where it'd show a good depth of coverage (fair warning, it'd have to be a lot) then I'm willing to withdraw the nomination. However something to take into consideration with the Yahoo source is that in many instances these articles will pull off of claims that the person themselves state and/or put in their press kit. Lifestyle and human interest pieces are under less scrutiny than an article on say, a politician or more critical event, so they don't really do a huge amount of research. This doesn't mean that these articles couldn't be reliable sources but it does mean that claims of being the first to do something should be taken with a huge grain of salt. A great example is that many people will frequently try to claim that someone is the youngest director ever. Some will have newspaper coverage that cites this claim, only for others to quickly disprove this with other newspaper articles or other people who have claimed the same thing. Basically the whole point is that these claims are rarely ever directly challenged by the newspapers unless it's something incredibly obvious and/or something that could come back to haunt them if it posed a huge legal issue. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  07:20, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete I do not think the Yahoo interview counts as a true source about him. Also I don't feel he really meets the underlying definition of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:14, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  13:00, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete for now - Even my first basic searches found nothing and there's simply not much in the slightest for improvement. SwisterTwister   talk  05:45, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I do want to say that I'm not opposed to this being userfied, if anyone's interested. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  06:22, 3 July 2015 (UTC)


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