Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danny Herrera (musician) (2nd nomination)


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The result was merge to Napalm Death. (non-admin closure) Luis150902  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 12:02, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Danny Herrera (musician)
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Non-notable member of several bands Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:41, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete for failing the relevant notability criteria. -The Gnome (talk) 05:52, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge to Napalm Death per the consensus of the previous AfD. Satisfies WP:NMUSIC criterion 6. --Michig (talk) 17:54, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * No mention of subject and you know, but refuse to acknowledge, that the criteria simply states that the subject may be notable, not that the subject is notable. No sources to support notability, therefore, the subject is not notable. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:04, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * "No sources to support notability, therefore, the subject is not notable" - are you seriously claiming that the absence of sources in the article has any bearing on notability? --Michig (talk) 07:01, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You never answered the question posed to you. And no, there is no significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. In other words, there are no sources related to the subject that confer notability. They do not exist anywhere. That's why they're not in the article. Are you seriously saying that a subject that has virtually nothing written about him is notable just because he sits behind a drum kit in a few bands that happen to have articles on Wikipedia? What sort of encyclopedic entry can we have about the subject who is just mentioned in-passing when the bands are discussed? Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:57, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You didn't pose any question to me, but we have accepted notability criteria that have been arrived at by consensus - while I don't agree with all of them, I don't think it unreasonable to express an opinion in favour of keeping on the basis of satisfying those accepted criteria. How can you possibly state that there is no significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources that are independent of the subject? Have you searched through print copies of all music and drumming magazines? Of course you haven't. I found one that lists him on the cover as the subject of one of the main articles. --Michig (talk) 17:45, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * You're right that I didn't pose a question. I called out your manifold ignorance and assumed you would defend it. You didn't. The consensus is still is that the sources for a stand-alone article need to exist. You are the perennial holdout to changing the wording so we placate you and deal with your objections every time this come up with a subject. As for not finding any sources, I've done my best to find some, and unless you can provide some, we have to conclude that they don't exist. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:19, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * This is the problem with you Walter. When someone disagrees with you, you just start throwing around insults and wikilawyering. Your failure to find sources that exist has been demonstrated time and time again. Your record at AfD is poor. Finding sources to confirm what is in the article is trivial. Worst case here should be a merge and redirect to Napalm Death, probably the world's pre-eminenent grindcore band for which he has been the drummer for over 25 years and for which he is best known, and you should have considered this option rather than wasting everybody's time with an AfD. --Michig (talk) 20:43, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll wear that hat. I don't mean to be insulting though. You're right that I haven't found any print sources. But then again, neither have you. I'm happy to leave it there and let the closing admin decide how to interpret the criteria. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:55, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to Napalm Death. The above argument got out of hand, with Michig being the professional voice of reason, and WP:NBAND #6 is valid. Walter was less professional but raised some good points on how the drummer has not been covered much in the media in his own right, beyond being in multiple notable bands. I suggest that Napalm Death be updated: when that article proceeds to 2003 it can say that Herrera joined Venomous Concept as a side project, then a little later it can say that he subbed temporarily for Anaal Nathrakh. The current Herrera article has a few sources that can back this up. In fact, I will do that right now. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 13:33, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Merge to Napalm Death is done. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (Talk&#124;Contribs) 13:47, 22 March 2018 (UTC)


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