Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dare to Dream


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  So Why  09:28, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Dare to Dream

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Unsourced. Also, a search didn't find me any obviously independent coverage (fails WP:GNG). Hakken (talk) 12:40, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:50, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Probably a merge to the article on the company or the creator. The age of the video game concerns me since I would guess the nominator didn't check offline sources and this game was released before the Internet. There are passing references and at least a paragraph or two in this search from the VG search engine, but not apparently any references presently indexed in the VG reference library. Gets a solid couple of paragraphs in a Google book and this copy of the New Yorker (one of which might be a reprint?). Nothing on Highbeam that I can see. --Izno (talk) 18:46, 20 July 2017 (UTC)]
 * Keep - Sources exist now in the page. More would better. Deltasim (talk) 05:37, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Winged Blades Godric  03:50, 28 July 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - As far as I can tell, none of the current sources are significant mentions of the game, just off-hand remarks that the game existed. The AMA transcript is dubiously reliable. There are a couple of reviews on Mobygames in German from 1993, but only two significant mentions still doesn't meet notability standards. I oppose a merge in the case of deletion as "Dare to Dream" is a somewhat common phrase even if it doesn't have an article.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:35, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not opposed to moving this article to Dare to Dream (video game) without redirect and subsequently redirecting (since it does exist as a possible search term) to the guy who wrote the game. --Izno (talk) 12:42, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:45, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete no significant coverage in reliable sources, only mentions in sources that cover larger subjects. The same guy who created the notable "Gears of War" created this game, but notability is not inherited. Also in Rolling Stone magazine it is noted how unremarkable this product is: "That was the whole shareware scene back in the day. I did a fun, goofy little adventure game that didn't do very well: Dare to Dream . It sold like five copies..." (Cliff Bleszinski on 'Lawbreakers', 'Overwatch' and Feeling Like a Disney Princess. Rolling Stone. May 2017.) ---Steve Quinn (talk) 03:05, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Which still leaves us suitable material for an article on Cliff (possibly above what currently exists there), or as a redirect to the producing company Epic Games. --Izno (talk) 12:42, 11 August 2017 (UTC)


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