Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dari (Java framework)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:00, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Dari (Java framework)

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No evidence of notability. Creator has admitted (by e-mail) their COI. Prod removed with: "this is a new Java framework announced at the recent JavaOne 2012 conference". To which I simply say, "so what". &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:13, 8 October 2012 (UTC)


 * How is Dari less credible than Hibernate or Spring? They're all Java frameworks. I'm wondering what's missing that makes it less credible or if moving it to another section might help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.236.154 (talk) 17:52, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Evidence of notability for the Dari (Java Framework) article can be found in the fact that several companies currently use the technology to power their websites. Several of those companies have agreed to be mentioned in the official press release announcing the open source release of the Dari framework: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/perfect-sense-digital-to-unveil-dari-an-open-source-java-development-framework-at-javaone-2012-171508231.html
 * The press release is a promotional document, but it includes an independent quote from Bill Bell, Vice President Web Technologies at HealthGrades, stating: "We have been using Dari and Brightspot CMS at HealthGrades for well over a year." Bill Bell's profile can be verified at http://www.linkedin.com/in/bbellcolumbia
 * The Dari framework was extensively demonstrated live for 3 days to a large number of Java developers. The source code is available on GitHub under a BSD license (very permissive, limited interest for original owner). Further evidence of notability should arise in the coming days/weeks. An independent podcast interview should be available shortly @ http://basementcoders.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.236.154 (talk) 18:09, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 16:19, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 16:19, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 15:29, 15 October 2012 (UTC)




 * Since launch the framework has been picked up by third party users - The github issue tracker shows an entry from a developer - https://github.com/perfectsense/dari/issues and the dev mailing list shows activity. https://groups.google.com/a/dariframework.org/forum/#!topic/dev/05L9pAj21A0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.236.154 (talk) 16:20, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Press releases and source on github are not the significant independent coverage required by WP:N. Tijfo098 (talk) 18:21, 21 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Do Not Delete. The Framework has got many mentions on Twitter by 3rd parties: https://twitter.com/dhimandeepak/status/253636208473817088 https://twitter.com/scunliffe/status/253239427470614529 https://twitter.com/raja_chawat/status/253252591423746048 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.236.154 (talk) 12:07, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:46, 23 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Twitter is not a reliable source as an indicator of notability for anything, including APIs. A search came up with lots of Indonesian articles (apparently because dari is an actual word in the language).  However, attempts to work around this didn't turn up any useful sources in books or news sources for this subject.  I, Jethrobot  drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 03:05, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. This is a new framework that doesn't seem to have attracted independent coverage in reliable sources. Hence fails WP:GNG. Twitter isn't a reliable source, nor are the others cited and found in a search. --Batard0 (talk) 09:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. No significant coverage by reliable secondary sources. Social media sites like Twitter are not reliable. A search for news articles doesn't bring up anything outside of press releases. The subject does not meet the general notability guideline.-- xanchester  (t)  17:13, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Do Not Delete. The framework is responsible for powering websites that get millions of views a month - see the notable sites on the wiki page. How is it not notable? It's a technology, that has been utilized widely by tens of millions of people. I feel it deserves to be recognized.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.236.154 (talk) 19:19, 25 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete without prejudice to recreation in the future. This may be a framework for which an article is being created too soon.  If it really is as popular, the coverage in reliable sources will appear, and then would be the time for an article. -- Whpq (talk) 16:06, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.