Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dark 2step


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. ff m  00:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Dark 2step

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unnecessary - a sub-subgenre, content should be merged with UK Garage or 2Step garage at very best. whilst referenced to a point, fails WP:N. article concerns a subgenre of garage, a descendent of drum and bass, which in turn is a derivative of jungle (this issue is widespread; garage is already a genre divisive enough to warrant two articles). Anyay in summation nothing is achieved by splintering the genre further. comments at Talk:Dubstep are also worth consideration --Kaini (talk) 02:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Strong keep:
 * Article is referenced from magazine sources.
 * 1st reference is from "Pitchfork" magazine, british electronic music magazine. It states: "As the Velvet Room sessions took garage in a more concerted, darker direction, its mix of dark 2step ("nu dark swing"), breakbeat garage, and proto-grime (also then known as "8bar" or "east beat") was for a while collectively referred to as "The Forward>> sound.".
 * 2nd reference: ".. in shaping the dark 2step sound that preceded dubstep", is translated review section of "Groove" magazine, german electronic music magazine.
 * 3rd reference(pdf) (HTML version) is from "Kick" magazine, canadian electronic music magazine. It is stated there: "Dubstep dawned around the turn of the millennium out of Croydon, South London and was birthed from two similar genres, Grime and dark 2step."
 * 4th reference is from "Spannered" website, site about audiovisual arts. The citation from that page is: "Fragmented styles of electronic dance music have often yielded exciting new sounds. In recent years, the advent of dubstep has occurred through mutations in dark ‘2-step’ garage, combined with influences from jungle and dub to create a new sound."
 * 5th reference is from "Cyclic Defrost", australian electronic music magazine. It is about the sound of dark 2step: "...it was more just dark 2-step garage for a long time but without any vocals; just beats and bass lines"
 * Many musical genres have articles of its dark subgenres, for example Psychedelic trance-Dark psytrance. -- Yaneleksklus (talk) 02:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep Despite the nominator's claims, this has sufficient sourcing; merging is the proper way to go if you believe that a sourced article is too specific. Nyttend (talk) 13:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * comment: my main concern here is that this article was created purely to leverage the introduction of the term into the infobox for Dubstep. i have grave doubts that the author intends to develop the article beyond the existing state, and i don't think anyone else will either. and the author hasn't developed the dubstep article (which is stable, and GA state) beyond the addition of the term to the infobox either. to paraphrase from the talk page for that article, why limit the infobox to "dark" garage? - a closed-minded attitude to genre only limits the article. i think that UK Garage and 2Step Garage cover the stylistic origins of this genre well, without the need for additional complications from subgenres.
 * anyway, some of that is by the by and moot as regards the AfD. although if anyone has any suggestions regarding where to discuss this, i'm all ears. --Kaini (talk) 22:13, 20 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  17:55, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, sufficiently sourced and hence notable, can't see the argument here I'm afraid. The author who was pushing to get "dark 2step" into the dubstep infobox was going the right way about it creating a sourced article to support his claim. I'd definitely consider merging with 2-step garage but not deleting the information. - file lake  shoe  11:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.