Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dark Iris


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Result was to delete - UtherSRG (talk) 03:37, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Dark Iris

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Not notable band: no press coverage, no record deal, nothing else that can make them pass notability guidelines. Drmies (talk) 03:34, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If the band gets deleted, then the albums (which aren't released yet, and when they are will be available through online vendors only, without record label) should go too: Victims of Circumstance (album) and The Guardian (album). Drmies (talk) 03:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * delete - no notability - these should have all been speedied. - UtherSRG (talk) 03:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, go ahead and slap that template on them, and see how the first admin feels--I don't mind (but one could claim to see an appeal for notability in the article). I've really sent this to AfD as a nod to the good-faith contributor. Drmies (talk) 03:49, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Uther, the creator left me a message on my talk. If/when this gets deleted, could you userfy it for them? Thanks. Drmies (talk) 04:02, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * They left me a similar note, and I said I'd do it. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:52, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete - I don't see how this band passes WP:BAND. Internet searches seem to bring up mostly social networking sites, but certainly no coverage in RS. P. D. Cook  Talk to me! 16:54, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Did you try searching keywords such as "Dark Iris Alaska" or "Dark Iris Reborn" or "Dark Iris band"? I will admit, that social networks are our dominant resources but if you mess around with different keywords you will come across many different lyric websites, a bit of press here and there, wikis, reviews, all sorts of stuff but you have to look for it. It's not just social networks, those just come up first in search results because those are our official pages, but there are many more if you look and use different keywords. --Larry52333 (talk) 00:49, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I admit I didn't do an extensive search using multiple keywords. However, I think you should review WP:BAND, WP:GNG and WP:RS. Basically, your band needs significant coverage in reliable sources to be considered notable (and thus suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia). Significant coverage means more than just "Band X played at venue Y." The coverage needs to be about the band. The next issue is that coverage has to be in reliable sources. Lyrics sites, wikis, and social networking sites are not reliable. Newspapers, magazines, and web publications with at least some editorial oversight would be considered reliable. If you can find such sources and present them here, I might reconsider. You're new here and I don't want to bite you, but I simply haven't seen what makes your band notable. P. D. Cook  Talk to me! 01:38, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm not necessarily new, I've been contributing for nearly two years, and some of my work has stayed but I see your point. I can probably come up with a few reliable news articles if you can hold off on deleting for the time being. How long do you think the article will last before someone deletes it? Can I post a Hold on tag to assure it won't be taken down immediately? There are a few weekly newspapers and related sources that I can have write an in-depth article or two on the band or on our debut album or like things. Or maybe a review on the band itself. If we can make an agreement to give me a period of time to come up with some press releases, I can probably get something in about two weeks or less. If it's possible to keep the wiki article up until then then I can more than likely present you with some more sources. The only thing I have relatively close to an eligible press release would be a blog a fan wrote about us, and I was already told it's not in-depth enough but it may be fine for the moment if you would look at it. It's a blogger named Anna Ricky, it's in our references section. But I will do everything I can to get more news sources to reference that might make us eligible. Can you hold off on deleting for now so I will have a bit of time to do this? I don't know what wikipedia's policy is about hold-ons... Thank you. --Larry52333 (talk) 01:55, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * OK a couple things. Sorry for assuming you were new...I should have checked your contribs. The article won't be deleted as a result of this AfD until (at least) seven days after it was nominated for deletion. However, that won't stop someone from tagging it for speedy deletion. If an admin believes it meets the criteria for speedy deletion, it can be deleted on the spot. A hold on tag will do nothing for the AfD, but if it is tagged for speedy a hang on tag might buy you some time. Blogs are seldom considered reliable (again, an editorial oversight issue). Press releases are not considered independent and thus cannot be used to demonstrate notability, unless the material in the press release is carried by an independent reliable source. Same goes for reviews: they have to be carried by reliable sources. I personally think you are going to have a difficult time convincing folks that this band is notable. If the article is deleted, you can ask the deleting admin to userfy the article so you can continue working on it in your user space and find more sources. Oh, and not to mention there is a huge conflict of interest issue here. P. D. Cook  Talk to me! 02:10, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * No worries man. I didn't take offense to you thinking I was new. Don't worry about it :) I see your point. So if I was to email some newspapers right now and asked them to write something about the band in their own words but with accurate information, then that wouldn't help at all? Yeah, I was worried about the article getting speedied. That's pretty much just what I'm trying to avoid. As for userfication, I already requested two different admins to userfy if it does end up getting deleted so that shouldn't be an issue unless they disregard my request. I know how it is. The way I see it, if you tell someone about your band, they won't believe anything you say unless you prove it on wikipedia and in general. So I guess it just means I have to do my best to stock up on sources that could be considered eligible and do what I can to convince you all that the band isn't just a local band where nobody else knows about our existance. I think once we release our debut album, our notability will increase because we already have guaranteed airtime on numerous radio stations across the country so once our music hits the airwaves, this issue might not exist will it? Anyway, I'm doing my best to come up with more sources, I'm emailing some newspapers about possibly writing about us in their own words or reviewing us or something like that but I'll make sure the information is accurate. If none of this works, I'm not sure what will. --Larry52333 (talk) 02:23, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —  Lady  of  Shalott  02:24, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Also, I just read the conflict of Interest thing too. I can probably find some sources that keep a neutral overlook on the subject. --Larry52333 (talk) 02:38, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - it seems like what Larry says confirms that this article is not yet notable by Wikipedia standards and should be deleted (or userfied). Assuming this action takes place, then the album articles/redirects should also be deleted or userfied. Lady  of  Shalott  17:37, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.