Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dark Knight (nickname)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Batman. Seems like a good consensus here that the nickname itself isn't notable enough for an article, none of the keeps has presented a counterargument except for Erik but it doesn't seem like anyone else was convinced. The principal objection to merge is that Batman itself is already too large, thus the proposals here to either split or trim that article or to create a Nicknames of Batman page need to be given serious consideration during the merge process but it does not really address the concerns about this topic. I'll thus go for a redirect so that the page size issue can be addressed concomitantly with the merge one as part of a talk page discussion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:06, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Dark Knight (nickname)

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I'm not sure why the nickname of Batman is independently notable of Batman himself. There seems to be no reason why this cannot simply be mentioned in the main Batman article. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:41, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
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 * Merge to Batman. I agree the term doesn't seem to be independently notable, but a merge with a redirect to the relevant section seems like a good WP:ATD. Hugsyrup (talk) 10:21, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep because Batman is already too long with so many details about the fictional character. It is over 143 KB, and WP:SIZESPLIT says to divide up content if the article is over 100 KB. Considering the scale of the character, it should be completely appropriate to have a variety of sub-articles related to different aspects of him. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 12:47, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. My first inclination was to vote for a merge to Batman, per, though I will say I am impressed how the content of this article is focused not on the Batman character, but on the nickname itself – its origins, meanings, applications to the character, explanations/analyses, etc. It did get me wondering, though, whether Wikipedia might be better served not by an article on this one nickname, but by a Nicknames of Batman article that discusses all of his nicknames in this fashion. It could focus on the major ones (Dark Knight, The World's Greatest Detective, Caped Crusader), antiquated ones no longer in regular use (Masked Manhunter, Dark Avenger), and what specific characters call him ("B-Man" from Harley Quinn; various names from Joker like "Bats," "Batsy," "Dork Knight"; etc.). Perhaps there could even be a section about the differences in use between "Batman" vs "The Batman", which I know is something that's been debated and discussed a lot. I guess you could even discuss the term "Dynamic Duo" about Batman and Robin in such an article. Maybe I'm overthinking this, but it's just a thought... — Hunter Kahn 14:00, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I support a broader nicknames sub-article idea. I don't support bloating Batman more than it is already bloated at this time. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 16:15, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to Batman, per stated concerns about the nickname not being independently notable from the character. The concerns about the length of the target article isn't really an issue when you consider that the bulk of this article's length consists of copious amounts of direct quotes copied straight from the sources, which really would not need to be transcribed over.  I do, however, like Hunter Kahn's idea about a "Nicknames of Batman" article, and I would have no problem at all with this article's content being merged into an article like that if one is ever created in the future.  Rorshacma (talk) 15:18, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SIZESPLIT, the article Batman is already too big for any more content at 143 KB. It is at 100 KB that we need to start splitting out content. This will only bloat the main article further where it is perfectly framed here. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 16:15, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Even so, that doesn't mean this article should stay just because of that. The size of the Batman article has absolutely nothing to do with whether this article is or isn't notable. The Batman article should be dealt with in other ways, possibly by paring down non-essential WP:PLOTSUM information, which would be mentioned in the comic book article anyway.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 17:42, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * This topic is notable. There is significant coverage about the nickname, and I literally just found yet another source talking about it in detail that does not exist in this article at this time. See screenshot. And the Batman article has a lot of good information already. It is false to claim that it is in any form too much of a plot summary. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 18:14, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge into relevant areas—Batman and The Dark Knight Returns seem to be the obvious ones. Of all the content to fork from the article, I'd say this is one of the least sensical ones (and I'd argue the parent article should first be trimmed because it could stand to be.) I don't really see enough evidence of its notability independent of the parent subject. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 21:00, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * @ Do you have any thoughts on the Nicknames of Batman option, or would you be opposed to that as well? — Hunter Ka</b><b style="color:#595454">hn</b> 23:59, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge to Batman. I like the idea of a Nicknames of Batman, but remain skeptical that it could pass WP:GNG. If enough can be done to meet that threshold, then merge there. --Killer Moff (talk) 15:30, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep I agree with Erik and Hunter. Batman article is very big. I like the idea of merging all nicknames to Nicknames of Batman. <u style="color:#087643;font-face:arial;text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Masum Reza <sup style="color:orange;">📞 07:37, 25 July 2019 (UTC)


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