Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dark metal (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 11:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Dark metal

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Previously deleted, non-existent genre. There appear to be no sources discussing it as a legitimate subgenre of heavy metal. The term is certainly in use, as a swift Google will attest, but the phrase is generally being used as an undefined/undefinable catch-all for an unconnected selection of bands that don't conveniently fit into other genre boxes. Searches of Google Scholar, News and Books also pull up hits, although the search is complicated by hits to "dark metal" in other usage. I found this in the New York Times, but the article is clearly talking about bands like Anthrax, Megadeth and Slayer. I have removed a lot of spurious webzine references from the article (they fail WP:RS and are almost exclusively trivial mention anyway, not discussing the genre), but the version with the webzine refs left in can be viewed here. I left in the NME reference, as that's reliable, but it simply states that Rotting Christ call themselves "dark metal" (cf. Leng Tch'e describe themselves as "razorgrind", but that doesn't make it a genre). The remaining two refs are a passing description on Graveworm in a Blabbermouth news report, and Sea of Tranquility, which I hadn't heard of, but apparently produced some print 'zines between 1998-2001; probably still a fanzine, but I was giving it the benefit of the doubt. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 09:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete another case of a sub-genre of a sub-genre being mixed with yet another sub-genre. These genres are really just names being thrown around with no actual definition.  Would also endorse salting this article since I can guarantee it will be recreated over and over and over again. I think music genres are currently one of the major areas that need attention improvement and editing on Wikipedia. 10:51, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The log suggests it has already been recreated a number of times already. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 11:09, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt, no substantial coverage, just names thrown around indeed. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 18:35, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt. I agree with all. FireCrystal (talk) 22:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete clearly yet another made-up genre, or case of a reviewer using an off-the-cuff phrase and people jumping on the chance to call it a new genre. fact is that to justify a genre you need a number of sources discussing the genre in detail. this doesn't have that. 87.224.19.114 (talk) 15:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and salt. It's not exactly a made-up genre, it's more of an "everything else" genre.  The article even says that there is no dark metal scene and no agreement on what dark metal is... WP:UNENCYCLOPEDIC may discourage arguments that a topic just isn't encyclopedic, but in this case it's apt.  In the unlikely event that dark metal actually becomes Something, the page can be rewritten and unsalted. McJeff (talk) 07:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.