Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dark pop


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The result was no consensus. &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 02:15, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Dark pop

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This article consists of a one-sentence lead with no backing in any of the sources cited and a "history" section which is little more than a prose-form list of the wide assortment pop/rock bands to which this vague term has been applied. Nothing here suggests this is in any way a recognised music genre and upon a quick Google search, the only article which actually discusses the term argues against its usage. I agree with the author wholly: this "catch-all" term is counterproductive for discussion of musical style and influence. Thankfully I have not seen this added to any infoboxes of note, but the sooner it's deleted from the site, the better. -- MA SHAUN IX 21:47, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. North America1000 23:26, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:33, 4 December 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep I understand what the nominator is trying to say. In my opinion, the author in the referenced news/op-ed link is giving an exhaustive opinion on "dark pop", which in itself is significant coverage adding up to the subject's notability. In fact, this itself too should be included in the current article. My search shows that the term "dark pop" is a very well referenced genre. Billboard, for example, throws up hundreds of articles for the "dark pop" genre, even listing "dark pop" groups amongst the Best Albums of 2017. Google News gives a few thousand results for the term "dark pop". Apple iTunes has a dedicated "dark pop" music preview. Dua Lipa, MUNA et al are variously recognized as dark pop exponents. Conferences like the "Dark Sound: Destructive Pop 2015" symposium was described as an "event dedicated to dark pop and its recurring themes of lost love, melancholia, death and desire." What I'm trying to put forward here is that there are considerable reliable sources referencing the term. The article can be developed, including not just such references, but even the reference the nominator has put forward.  Lourdes  07:53, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:00, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 *  Weak delete . There is indeed RS use of "dark pop", but it is usually just to label an artist as it without actually covering what it is. There does not seem to be a definition, let alone a coherent definition. Right now it is whatever you decide it is. I think this is an unusual case of Too soon, because this genre is likely to be notable in the future, but not at this time. We should wait until the genre matures before we cover it.&thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 03:33, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 03:35, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, hope you're doing well. In my opinion, as an encyclopedia, we should be documenting all opposing views and descriptions about this genre than perhaps deleting it because there are opposing views. This has been a long existing genre. For example, you have this decently famous dark pop poetry from 1989, or albums like Law and Order by Lindsey Buckingham released in 1981, described as one of the exponents of dark pop. I understand what you mean when you mention that "There is indeed RS use of "dark pop", but it is usually just to label an artist as it without actually covering what it is. There does not seem to be a definition." But in my opinion, reliable sources like this Dark Pop review article by Andrew Ford, or the specific definition of Dark Pop provided at http://repository.falmouth.ac.uk/2232/1/index.html seem quite reasonable for including in the article. I'll leave the decision to your judgement, but personally, I feel that as an encyclopedia, we should be allowing readers to read about such reliable definitions than delete the same. Warmly,  Lourdes  05:31, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, well then I change my mind. I'm more Neutral / Ambivalent now. I'm still uncertain, but if you are finding definitions and such then that's enough for an article. But I still don't know. &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 05:38, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure. Thanks for reconsidering. Warmly,  Lourdes  05:39, 17 December 2017 (UTC)


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