Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darren Dowler


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete via WP:SNOW. Clear consensus was to delete the article at the time the original editor requested speedy deletion. I have deleted the article. —C.Fred (talk) 23:39, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Darren Dowler

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As I said in the Prod: This is anon-notable person. Claims of being in films seem to be trivial. IMDB, Youtube, Myspace and Open library are not reliable sources. Does not meet WP:ENTERTAINER; as there have not been multiple notable roles. As a composer doesn't meet WP:MUSIC. The reference to a book is just a link to buy it. The creator notes "all information is accurate" but it's still unverified as it lacks in line citations or it is original reserach. DFS454 (talk) 12:09, 7 April 2009 (UTC) KEEP (per this edit summary this user is the same as 71.129.49.179)  - Hello everybody, I am the author of the page and I'm not sure what you folks are concerned about, and I mean that with all due respect to your opinions. Because I do listen as you'll see in my latest edits. I'm admittedly new on here so if anybody can help me make the page look better, I welcome the advice I didn't start this page to waste time in any way. Darren Dowler is one of the fast rising talents in this business right now and that is why I am writing this article. He is not on Paul Revere's home page yet simply because they haven't updated the site. Older acts take a while to do so. But if you watch the links, Darren is the new singer for Bill Medley and Paul Revere without question. He is in a national TV commercial right now promoting their Branson run this summer.There are references there that prove it irreproachably. There are millions worldwide who follow the guy. This is an encyclopedia, meaning information for all of us to share who are interested in him. This man is of note. He's an international recording artist, author and has performed in huge film projects. I'm not claiming him a film star yet. But he will be soon I believe. This info is for all of his fans who are following him and want to keep up with his progress. His reference links are better than most stars. So what exactly is the objection? The reason I am writing a book on the man is because he is an amazing personality. If you need proof go see him perform. He's one of the best in the world, by many's opinions at what he does. So please work with me here and look into him. If you don't like my page, leave it for the fans who do. I'm writing it for them. And be watching for his new movie (which I dropped till after it comes out per your opinions) it's going to launch him even higher. That's why I bought his biography rights. I wish everyone a good day. Note: The man also has two more novels coming out this year. Let his fans have this information. Just because you are unfamiliar with him doesn't mean a million or so others aren't. And I am serious about the help. If anyone can help me to do the page more proerly, I'd love the help. I am a writer but not very technical I'm afraid. Thanks--Stevenspiegel (talk) 23:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC) — Stevenspiegel (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. KEEP (per this edit summary this user is the same as 71.129.49.179) Darren Dowler is definitely the singer for Paul Revere and The Righteous brothers. Video doesn't lie. Watch the links. I've been following the guy for ten years. Have ten albums. Saw him in Hancock. Saw him in Fearless. http://Fearless.msn.com. References. Punch in his name. In one second I found articles in the NY Daily News, and a dozen others. I personally saw the guy with Paul Revere at Epcot Orlando a few days ago. Go to you tube punch in Dowler Epcot Paul Revere. There's video of the show. There's video of The righteous brothers show on this page. His book is worldwide Borders, Barnes and Noble, Amazon, Target. There are a whole bunch of us interested in the guy. I'm a die hard fan. I'm not interested in elves but their on this site. Why can't an up and coming performer be listed. I am interested in him. Puch up Darren Dowler Lettermen Newspaper, you'll get a hundred articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marinecaptain007 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 8 April 2009 (UTC) — Marinecaptain007 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevenspiegel (talk • contribs) 17:40, 7 April 2009 — Stevenspiegel (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Delete this non-notable actor - makes big claims but fails to deliver - his appearance in Hancock was as "Rail Crossing Crowd #3", his appearance "alongside" Billy Bob Thornton was as an uncredited Secret Service Agent. Last time I looked, Wikipedia wasn't a place to store your fake CVs. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 12:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * KEEP. That is nonsense. Did you watch the links. He delivers all the way. He's in the credits bro. And his music stuff is awesome. He sings with THE RIGHTEOUS BROTHERS. The group with the two biggest songs of all time. The legendary group. He's done Broadway. I just checked out the movie with Smith. He's in it Gomer. He has lines in a hundred and fifty million dollar film. Hello. I looked his book up. It's available around the world. What are you talking about. DO NOT DELETE THIS ARTICLE. That's non-sense. I'm tired of reading about Abe Lincoln. We need new people to read about.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.129.49.179 (talk) 14:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)  — 71.129.49.179 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Are we sure about that? The only mention of Darren Dowler in the Righteous Brothers article was added by the author of the Darren Dowler page. And there's no mention of him on the Righteous Brother's official site. Speedy delete for pure vandalism. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 14:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ditto the Paul Revere claim Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 14:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: 71.129.49.179 identifies himself as being Steven Spiegal in this edit —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spasemunki (talk • contribs) 11:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete and should probably be Speedy Delete. NO back up for sources - a quick look implies that most of the claims have simply been made up. Quantpole (talk) 14:29, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I have now found something to back up The Lettermen claim. If you look here there is a reference that Darren Dowler had a stint as a member of The Lettermen. I still don't think this is notable, so am not changing my vote, but thought it should be made clear. Quantpole (talk) 15:02, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I would have tagged this with a Speedy but it would probably be declined as there are assertions of notability albeit fake ones. The author has a strong coi as shown in this particular diff as they are supposedly writing some sort of autobiography too. Remember wikipedia is not a crystal ball so claims about him starring in a film in a few years are irrelevant.--DFS454 (talk) 15:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * With all this in mind it would probably benefit from a little salt too. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 15:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The simple fact is he's not been the subject of enough reliable secondary-source material up to this point. Therefore we can't verify any claims that are made. And then two apparently false (or at the very least unverified) claims are made about him being in two other groups. Not only in this article but in the articles of the two other acts. If he makes it big, newspapers will write about him, he will be reviewed, he will be interviewed, he will be the subject of countless words of flowing praise, I'm sure. He will be the subject of verifiable, reliable secondary sources. And then (and only then), will he get a keep vote from me. Hell, if we get those references, I'll even help you write the article. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 23:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment The famous Darren Dowler has now appeared in the Backstreet Boys article too.Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 00:31, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * KEEP (per this edit summary this user is the same as 71.129.49.179) It's obvious my friend that you have nothing better to do that to sit at your computer and try to tear down whatever. What reason do you have to spend all this time on this. I have a reason. I'm writing an article. You obviously have nothing better to do. So good luck to you. Hopefully Wikipedia knows people like you are sabbotaging information for no reason. Please my friend, find more to do in life. Taking a personal vendetta against a writer or entertainer, whichever, that you don't even know, shows you have nothing better to do. Get outside. Go jogging. Find a girlfriend. Do something.
 * You don't get multiple !votes, so I've stricken this one. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 12:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment There are currently 4 votes for keep. Two are from the same person, and the others are from people who have not made any other contribution to wikipedia. Looks like a bit of vote stacking to me. Quantpole (talk) 07:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I'll concur with Quantpole in regards to stacking (I suspect multiple socks at this point). I would imagine that this attempt to KEEP will have an inverse effect/affect to the desired intent however.  I haven't been able to find any strong WP:RS to support any particular WP:N at this point, and would probably suggest that the author userfy the article until such time as the actor does become notable, or quality links are found to support the assertion of notability. — Ched :  ?  11:12, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Verifiability and notability are the kickers here, in my opinion.  There are a lot of claims made in the article, but some of them can't be confirmed, and despite claims of availability, I'm yet to see any new sources.  Google search turns up little of significance.  Nothing here establishes notability- one of several people to sing with The Lettermen 30 years after they were a major act, bit parts in films, a self-published novel, etc.  There's a very promotional feel to the current article, as well to what material that shows up on the web.  --Clay Collier (talk) 11:22, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikipedia is not the place to become notable, it's the place where an article about you may appear once it's happened. Notability is claimed in the article, but quite implausibly and without proof. "Rail crossing crowd #3" is not a notable role in the sense of an encyclopedia. As for playing the main role in a Broadway musical in 1989 – this sort of conflicts with the only relevant (though self-published) source that I could find. To make matters even worse, I must agree with Clay Collier about the "promotional feel" of the article and Google search results. --Hans Adler (talk) 12:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Lettermen per WP:MUSICBIO. We already have two sources (one above, one in the article) that Dowler was in The Lettermen. What's missing is additional sources to show he's been in any other notable band, and a Google News search doesn't deliver any proof of a connection to either of the claimed acts, nor do the bands' official pages. When proof is available, he may be notable enough for his own article. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 12:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll also note that having checked LexisNexis, it seems that any notability Dowler has is as a member of The Lettermen, so a redirect is quite appropriate. &mdash;/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 12:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete: No notability established. seicer  &#x007C;  talk  &#x007C;  contribs  12:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Clearly non-notable. The Real Libs-speak politely 14:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - As usual with such hyped bios, he's on the verge of being the next big thing, in which case, once he is the next big thing he can have an article. We are told that he is a published author. Indeed, he is a published author with a vanity print-on-demand publisher that averages about 100 copies of each book it publishes Mayalld (talk) 15:10, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * delete I'm unable to find any sources the would make this individual meet WP:BIO. JoshuaZ (talk) 16:35, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


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