Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darren Meade (bodybuilder)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was  deleted by Uncle G. NAC. Cliff smith talk  01:25, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Darren Meade (bodybuilder)

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Article appears to be a self-promotional page - the author appears to have joined Wikipedia specifically to create this page, since she has no other edits. The article is loaded with statements like "He has proven that success is contagious". Even if the self-promotional aspects are cleaned up, he seems marginal for notability - though apparently successful, he doesn't really seem notable as a businessman, and his bodybuilding career consisted of a handful of amateur level contests. Also note, the bulk of the article appears to be a copyright violation, with text taken word for word from. Dsreyn (talk) 04:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Self promotional issues abound.  JBsupreme (talk) 10:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Self promotional and the references are dodgy, some of them are even written about Meade, by Meade. Deathlibrarian (talk) 11:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps speedy delete as totally nonnotable and (in a way) advertising. I'd do it myself, but I'm never too certain about speedying articles at AFD.  Nyttend (talk) 19:32, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep My name is Samantha and I noted that all my previous comments on the above were deleted. I believed this was an open forum for discussion. Please allow me the decency to respond to the allegations.
 * In order to take others opinion into matters, the page has been edited and I thank you for your feedback. I trust the edits done in good faith will make the community feel better. Now I would like to address matters which I believe to be patently false.
 * All initial disagreements steamed from one person. In those talks, I shared that multiple pages were created utilizing different spelling of Darren Mead and Darren Meade. That I tried to correct such, to no avail or reply. At that time we cited references to that point and at times used Wikepedia as a source. That person then went in and began to edit entries to fit his argument and to change that which we cited as evidence I offer the follwing search result: Darren Meade (soccer) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) by Fbb fan (talk · contribs) started at 02:45, 17 October 2008 Fbb fan is to whom I reference and ask the editors or Wikpedia to perform some diligence perhaps an IP search and/or see within his own category if those making comments above frequent his pages and perhaps be friends. This I believe would show bias.
 * Dsreyn talks writes that because I have not edtied more articles my entry should be deleted. I find that unfair, as I just found out about Wikpedia. Why would I edit others work, as I am trying to learn and understand the site and how it functions. Dsreyn then states : "marginal for notability - though apparently successful, he doesn't really seem notable as a businessman, and his bodybuilding career consisted of a handful of amateur level contests."  I respectfully disagree. Let's begin with the patently false claim that Darren Meade only had a handful of amateur level contests. Mr. Meade represented the USA in international bodybuilding events. Amateur bodybuilding in the USA is under the NPC (National Physique Committee) and professional bodybuilding under the IFBB (International Federation of Bodybuilders). Mr. Meade won the IFBB North American middleweight class. The show was in Mexico, I cite this to show that this was an international event, to which he had to travel outside the USA. The title itself is called the North American Championships, thereby indicating Canada, Mexico and the USA. That particular year, it was drug tested by the International Olympic Committee. Again showing the level of the show. Mr. Meade has a plaque congratulating him by the IFBB and signed by Ben Weider who was the President of the IFBB.  Mr. Meade also has 14 plaques by the National Physique Committee. These are not for titles won, but thanking him for his improvements of bodybuilding and recognizing him for his accomplishments. While these are from the NPC which handles amateur bodybuilding, they again recognize bettering the sport itself.  As for business acomplishments, how do I explain that without it being construed and self promotion of Darren Meade? The first company he partnered in was sold for $180 Million dollars, it created a new market category within the sports nutrition arena and the history of such is being covered in a book titled Muscle, Smoke and Mirrors by Randy Roach. He has been retained by the Autralian Government, and Hong Kong Public exchange. The area I believe that he is most notable was that he was homeless for 3 years as a teenager and rose to fame in bodybuilding and later business. Within the page I created are link to particles that were press releases and Darren Meade's original article that when he was told that he was dying on April, his out look on what he has learned.  Many of is other published writing found on the internet have to do with God and religion. Therefore he does receive threats upon his life and attacks because of his unique view on God. While I list my name and that of Darren Meade, the other user are announymous and I am not sure if the attacks of censorship come from other published articles. None of those articles are linked to the Wikepedia page. I believe as cited above though, and explained that all my previous written comments have been deleted show that this is more than a routine concern for the page. It is an attack which can be validated by reading the talk section.  Darren Meade is notable for business and his bodybuilding titles, which include success in the NPC and IFBB. He won both titles in the USA and Internationally.  As a business man he has paunched both private and public companines.  Philanthropy - Through his work with Feed The Children and other groups to feed the hungry and inspire other homeless children.  Politics - They are not linked of referenced on this page, however, the Orange County Register, interviewed Darren Meade each week on the historic recall campaign in California for Governor. Darren worked on Arnold Schwarzenegger's campaign through out the campaign. Again showing notability.  In closing one last attack was simply one of copyright infringement. I believe this to be false. I added a link to an article written by Darren Meade. When I went to the page I created, it said I should add links to help verify, which I did. If I placed this in the wrong location, please let me know where it should go. I will gladly change such. However I do not believe a link to an article by Darren Meade to be a copyright issue. It is his article, he wrote it and irrevocably agreed to release his contribution under the terms of GFDL.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Samanthadecanta (talk • contribs) 21:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete I am part of WikiProject Bodybuilding and I would love to see more articles on notable bodybuilders. But the emphasis is on the word notable.  Fails WP:BIO, sadly. Ecoleetage (talk) 22:21, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep Dear Ecoleetage in regards to notable, do you consider newspaper articles, video news releases and other third party articles citing notability to be what causes notability? If so, how can we share such without in being considered self promotion? Further, if someone wins a title and then leaves a sport to help the homeless and hungry and uses the title in doing so, is that notable? If I add all the articles when Darren Meade helped the campaign in California to promote another bodybuilder into office (Arnold) is that notable? If we go off the deifintion to the link you kindly provided, I believe we can easily do so. Do you know if I should add this in a different section, so that it is not construed as self promotion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samanthadecanta (talk • contribs) 2008-10-19 22:39:35


 * already speedily deleted this as a copyright violation. The article was then re-started by .  I performed a history split to get the original history of Darren Meade (soccer), which got deleted along with this article, back at that article.  In the process I have deleted the restart that Samanthadecanta did, rather than restoring it (the usual procedure at the end of a history split).  This is because it was, once again a copyright violation of M. Meade's own autobiography, with the first person pronouns simply changed to third person. Uncle G (talk) 00:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


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