Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darren Rhodes (yoga teacher)


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The result was delete. Bbb23 (talk) 16:42, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Darren Rhodes (yoga teacher)

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Not seeing significant coverage in independent reliable sources sufficient to meet WP:BIO. I see some local and promotional coverage, but little else. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 13:01, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete we lack the type of indepth sourcing in indepdent reliable publications to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:43, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Not enough sources to demonstrate notability, nor do there appear to be any out there to add Dexxtrall (talk) 18:06, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources. Significant coverage of the subject:   The article notes: "In the yoga world, many superlatives go along with the name Darren Rhodes. Simply put, the Tucson resident and YogaOasis owner is one of the most visible anusara yogis in the world. In 2008, Yoga Journal named Rhodes one of the top 21 teachers younger than 40 who are 'shaping the future of yoga.' The 38-year-old also is the face - and body -for anusara yoga, which means 'to flow with grace' and was founded in 1997 by 50-year-old Houston-based John Friend. Millions of people have seen and imitated Rhodes' poses on the anusara syllabus poster that's sold worldwide and at YogaOasis for $25 and $35." The article provides over 1,000 words of coverage about the subject.  The article notes: "Darren Rhodes is quite literally the poster boy for Anusara Yoga. You can find him on the Anusara syllabus poster, deftly demonstrating more than 345 awe-inspiring poses. His motivation for achieving such a feat wasn’t ego driven; it came from his belief that asanas create more than just physical change. “When I come across a posture I really want to do, I ask myself, ‘How do I have to shift physically, mentally, and in my heart to be able to do that?’” He adds, “I want to be able to do a posture because I know it will require transformation on all levels.” Rhodes grew up in a family of yogis. His mother took up the practice when he was in utero, and his father is an avid meditator. He remembers entertaining his parents’ friends by doing poses in the living room. In high school he began practicing in earnest, using a Richard Freeman video and going to local studio classes. But it wasn’t until his early 20s that he met Anusara Yoga founder, John Friend, and had one of the most shakti-filled experiences of his life. “John turned my yoga practice into a radical, rockin’ life celebration,” he says, “which is what I strive to share in my classes.”" Yoga Journal is an established publication. See "How 40-Year-Old Yoga Journal Keeps Up With Yoga's Newfound Fanatics" from the New York Observer and "Yoga Journal Celebrates Its First 10 Years in Russia" from The Moscow Times.  Less significant coverage of the subject: <ol> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> <li></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Darren Rhodes to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 09:00, 29 June 2021 (UTC)</li></ul>
 * The regional newspaper Arizona Daily Star and the Yoga Journal allow the subject to meet Notability. The other sources also combine to establish notability per Notability (people), which notes, "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability." Cunard (talk) 09:00, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I did see these two sources when I did my search. We have a local paper writing in the regional section of the paper about a local business, and an industry publication's celebrating its own (a genre I think we should generally be skeptical of). That said, both are helpful. I just disagree that they get us over the WP:GNG. &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 15:05, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The fact that the article in the coverage from the Arizona Daily Star includes contact details for the business it is talking about at the end of the article suggests to me that it originates from a press release Dexxtrall (talk) 19:43, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Neither Notability nor Notability (people) say that regional or industry sources cannot be used to establish notability for a person. Yoga Journal is an established publication. See "How 40-Year-Old Yoga Journal Keeps Up With Yoga's Newfound Fanatics" from the New York Observer and "Yoga Journal Celebrates Its First 10 Years in Russia". The Arizona Daily Star article is a feature story about Darren Rhodes and his yoga studio. It included the yoga studio's contact information in case readers want to learn more about the studio. That does not make it a press release. Cunard (talk) 05:18, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Further discussion of the sources identified by Cunard would be appreciated.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:17, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete I do not view the two sources, one of which is a local profile of a local yoga teacher, as meeting the bar set by WP:GNG. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:47, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep (1) I added Rhodes trademark YogaHour, and references about his impact beyond Tucson, AZ (2) Arizona Daily Star itself is a wiki article, thus, it is a notable paper. The author, (Valerie Vinyard), is a senior writer at Arizona Daily Star and a Journalism instructor at Pima Community College; additionally, the article does not have a paid promotion notice. It seems a genuine publication to celebrate Rhodes as one of the top 21 teachers younger than 40 who are "shaping the future of yoga". This is a celebration of a nationwide recognition. Yoga Journal is an award-winning magazine (see this in its wikipedia article), it is based in Boulder, Colorado. The multiple publications about Darren Rhodes in Yoga Journal are prestigious. Elephant Journal is a popular yoga magazine and it has been accepted in wikipedia articles, e.g. in the Akong Rinpoche entry. (3) I don't know how to invite WikiProject Yoga to this discussion, but it would be nice to have their input. Thank you! --Pinterma1000szer (talk) 15:49, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete Not quite enough sigcov from solid reliable sources. The Arizona Daily star is local to Rhodes, and being listed as one of 21 yoga teachers isn't particular compelling. OhNo itsJamie  Talk 21:36, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yoga Journal listed Darren Rhodes as one of the top 21 teachers younger than 40 who are "shaping the future of yoga": 21 Famous Top Yoga Teachers in America. Yoga Journal is not local to Darren Rhodes, since it is not based in Tucson; also this 21 is a nationwide selection. The wiki article on Yoga Journal: "Yoga Journal has won major media awards including eight Western Publications Association's Maggie Awards for "Best Health and Fitness Magazine," and the Award's top honor for "Best Overall Consumer Publication."" Thank you! Pinterma1000szer (talk) 04:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)pinterma1000szer
 * Weak delete per and WP:TOOSOON. There's the Arizona Daily Star. which arguendo is reliable, but I am not familiar with the others. Yoga Journal might be notable, but mostly for the criticism against it. That's two, but not three good sources. Bearian (talk) 17:00, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - lacks in-depth coverage in reliable sources. MrsSnoozyTurtle 00:50, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


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