Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dartington Primary School


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. There is no consensus to delete the article. Several editors support a merge and this discussion should be continued on the relevant talk-pages. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 11:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Dartington Primary School

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A primary school whose only claim to notability is being old. The buildings would warrant discussion in the main Dartington article, but the school itself now occupies a brand new building and nothing else about it notable. Suggest, as per common practice with primary schools, that it is redirected to the village article. Bob Re-born (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge to Dartington, per long-standing consensus for all but exceptional primary schools. I see that there is a new school merger template up, so hopefully there will be a way to implement such obvious merger decisions outside the normal AfD channel shortly. Carrite (talk) 17:47, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * This long-standing 'consensus' has taken me by surprise. Primary School entries were informative, pertinent, not commercial. Is there a necessity to conserve space? Pafcwoody (talk) 05:39, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No. The bar for primary schools to cross to demonstrate their notability is just (arbitrarily) very high. For the record, I disagree, and think school age is a good criterion. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 18:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:51, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:51, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep school age (established in the 1800's) confers notability through historicity per WP:ORG. This is a pretty extreme example of a historically notable school. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 18:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Partial merge - typical non-notable English primary school. Sure there has been a school in Dartington for a long time, but it hasn't been on the same site, nor has it had the same name. The history section is actually a history of schools in Dartington and would be best placed in the Dartington article. Without the history section the article is nothing. Merge that into the town article and redirect the rest. Fmph (talk) 20:29, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * A school (or, in fact, any organisation) continues to exist regardless of the fact that it may have moved sites. The history section is the claim to notability for this particular article, so, you're right, without that section "the article is nothing", but that's the whole point. Merging the article with the locality, in this case, would almost certainly result in the loss of content because much of the information would (or should) be considered trivial to the locality. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 20:36, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * How do you know that it moved sites? There are no references to authenticate that assertion. And a read of the content would seem to indicate that it wasn't te same school on different sites. Rather it was most obviously at least 2 quite different schools within the same area/village. They had different names and different sites. This is not about a single historic entity tat has survived the ravages of time. Rather it is an uncorroborated commentary on the alleged educational history of a minor English village. It is most certainly not notable. Fmph (talk) 04:24, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't say that the school had moved sites, you did. And, you're right! There are no references to authenticate the rest of your commentary either. It's certainly not presented the way you read it in the article. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 07:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge, redirect or delete: "Old" doesn't mean "historic", and "historic" doesn't mean "notable". My house turns 100 this year; it's probably historic but certainly ain't notable. The general consensus is to toss school-related articles, and I see no reason to deviate from the general consensus  Purpleback pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  00:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if your house has any societal value (unlike schools), but I'm pretty sure that such buildings aren't covered under WP:ORG (perhaps you could ask at WP:WPARCH). Your argument, therefore, is a rather distractingly embarrassed kipper.
 * As to "general consensus", you, again, misrepresent the truth. The general consensus is that non-notable schools are redirected not "tossed". This is a notable school for the reasons already given. &tilde;danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 04:37, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Anything that isn't keep is tossed, IMO. And to say that WP:ORG should be interpreted as "anything that's old is notable" is a gross misinterpretation of policy.  Furthermore, your allegations that I misrepresent the truth are a) personal attacks, and b) have been refuted by numerous editors in prior discussions you were privy to  Purpleback  pack  89  ≈≈≈≈  16:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Speedy keep. This is a historic school which once served all age groups through to the then school leaving age. The article is already sufficiently well sourced to prove its notability. As the school will only have been known as Dartington Primary School for a tiny proportion of its long life there will undoubtedly be multiple other sources available under the previous school names. 02:00, 2 February 2012 (UTC) Dahliarose (talk) 10:09, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - historic school; over 200 years old and with sources likely to be available to meet WP:ORG. Formerly educated to school leaving age; effectively a secondary school. I fail to see how the project is benefited by the deletion of such an interesting and useful page. TerriersFan (talk) 21:56, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Dartington. A school of that period is not exceptionally unusual.  In its present form it differs little from 1000s of other primary schools.  If the artiel were a lot longer, I would take  adiffenret view.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:48, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The school has only been a primary school for a short period of existence (since 1939). For the remaining 150 years of its history it was a school educating children of all ages so it was effectively the equivalent of a secondary school today. It is therefore very different from a bog standard modern primary school. Dahliarose (talk) 19:24, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.