Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darwin Jones (soccer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep, we seems to be fine now--Ymblanter (talk) 08:21, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Darwin Jones (soccer)

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Contested PROD. Concern was that ''He hasn't played a fully pro league match nor has he received significant coverage. Therefore he fails both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL.'' PROD was contested on the grounds that he is signed to Seattle Sounders. This does not confer notability, as WP:NFOOTBALL explicitly says that it requires players to have played actual matches. He has not. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:46, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following article for the same reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:47, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:47, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


 * There are three players that are first team members this season which have not played a full season: Darwin Jones, Cristian Roldan, and Victor Mansaray. I argue that we should allow the pages to remain for a short period of time since they will get more coverage as the season procedes. Secondly, this would prevent gaps in the Sounders roster template: Template:Seattle Sounders FC squad Stevetauber (talk) 00:50, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The invalidity of this argument is perhaps the longest standing consensus of the WikiProject football. Applying WP:NSPORT prematurely in anticipation of future appearances was rejected at afd no less than 27 times in the past twelve months. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:03, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Is it reasonable to move the article to draft? Which is preferred in this case? Stevetauber (talk) 13:32, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to easily restore the page (undelete)? It might make sense then to do so.... Stevetauber (talk) 12:03, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Most admins will restore articles they deleted when asked, if the reason for deletion no longer applies. Failing that, deletion review is also an option. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:55, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay sounds good. How to proceed? Stevetauber (talk) 18:40, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I disagree that there's consensus. This keeps getting argued about. Deleting article of players who are part of the first squad of fully-professional teams is a waste of our time, and I don't know why people keep nominating such articles, only to have then recreated days later. If you are so utterly convinced that this article can't be present for a few extra days, simply move the article to draft without the WikiDrama of an AFD. Nfitz (talk) 20:05, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete both - Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. If the players do not meet the notability guidelines, they should be deleted.  This has been one of the longest standing consensuses of the Football project.  Both articles fail WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. – Michael (talk) 00:58, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Roldan, Delete Jones - Roldan just made his pro debut as ArsenalFan just stated so he meets WP:NFOOTBALL. Needs improving though.  Jones still fails both WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. – Michael (talk) 03:32, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - Jones just made his debut for S2. So he now meets WP:NFOOTBALL. – Michael (talk) 04:36, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Roldan: Just made debut. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 03:26, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Roldan, Delete Jones - as above. GiantSnowman 13:06, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Comment - I am withdrawing the nomination of Roldan, since that article now meets WP:NSPORT. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:23, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTBALL as he hasn't played in a Fully Professional League and doesn't have any international caps. IJA (talk) 13:39, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Move to Draftspace - Roldan's already made a debut ... I don't know why people waste everyone's time with these nominations. Just move the articles to Draftspace already ... Nfitz (talk) 20:05, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Move to Draftspace - This would be great so we don't have to bug the deleting admin. I just learned about draft space recently and would have done this to start. Stevetauber (talk) 23:24, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 02:37, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Roldan delete Jones - Roldan has played ina fully professional league, so meets WP:NFOOTY. Re jones, player fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played in a fully professional league, nor senior international football. No indication of any other achievements that have garnered sufficient, significant coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. Not keen on moving to draftspace as I do not think we want to encourage an environment whereby people can freely create as many articles on non-notable players they like and keep them in draft in perpetuity. Draftspace should be used for drafting articles on already notable subjects, not as a holding pen in anticipation of notability which might never come. Fenix down (talk) 16:03, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Roldan delete Jones - Agree with Fenix down. I've created a draft in my user space since I agree that Public Draft Space is not a reasonable location. Stevetauber (talk) 17:08, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Jones - Jones now meets WP:NFOOTY since last night he debuted for Seattle Sounders FC 2 in United Soccer League. Stevetauber (talk) 11:12, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Jones Meets WP:NFOOTY he has made his debut in a fully professional league. Rolden also meets WP:NFOOTY.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:43, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
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