Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dave Freeman (meteorologist)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. v/r - TP 15:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Dave Freeman (meteorologist)

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Previously kept at AFD in 2006 (see Articles for deletion/Dave Freeman (weatherman)), but there doesn't appear to have ever been any significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources or anything to confirm the claimed awards (a behind-paywall source suggests the award may have been for visual effects rather than for Freeman). The reference (to a blog) is a dead link. Michig (talk) 11:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Award is confirmed on National Weather Association website (about 2/3 down) in http://www.nwas.org/awards/nwa08awards.php. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 14:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
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 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:01, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete I can't find the significant coverage at independent reliable sources which would indicate that he meets the notability guidelines. I can find his own writing at various websites, and a few minor mentions, but nothing to meet the notability criteria.  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 14:36, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete I'm unable to find significant coverage in reliable sources. Tooga - BØRK! 12:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, just added three references. http://www.ksn.com/content/about/team/weather/dfreeman.aspx, http://www.nwas.org/awards/nwa08awards.php and http://weatherbrains.com/weatherbrains/?p=1135. It seems that the entire article can be referenced and if required expanded with those sources. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 14:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Still a bit short on significant independent coverage. I'm fairly neutral given that we now have at least something to base the article on. --Michig (talk) 20:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Here are my thoughts on those three sources:
 * The KSN article is his biog on the station he works for - it is not independent, especially as I would suspect that a lot of it was submitted to KSN by himself!
 * While the National Weather Association is arguably notable (the article has no citations from reliable independent sources), there is no mention in that article of their awards (and certainly no National Weather Association Awards or NWA Awards articles). I am not convinced that NWA Awards would be considered "major" enough to make a recipient notable
 * Although WeatherBrains is arguably notable (even though there is no Weatherbrains, Weather Brains, Weatherbrains.com etc article), it is also arguable about how independent the bio at the page actually is. When I read it, I thought that it read like a bio supplied to WeatherBrains by Freeman himself.
 * Overall, I personally am not convinced that these are enough to meet the notability criteria. One is not independent (it is his employer); one has an article, but there is no evidence that their awards meet the criteria for making someone notable; the final source has not been demonstrated to be notable. So, despite the excellent work by in finding those sources, I am still recommending that we delete this article  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 22:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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