Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dave McRae


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Keeper   76  22:50, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Dave McRae

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Promotional page for a voice over artist/acotr without any notable roles. Awards do not appear notable. Article is unsourced. Note that most edits are made by single purpose accounts and by someone claiming to be the subjects Public Relations manager. Duffbeerforme (talk) 10:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete it is a CV posing as an article. Fails WP:N and WP:V. Jasynnash2 (talk) 10:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - agree with nominator and Jasynnash2 -Hunting dog (talk) 12:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Please have a more meaningful rationale than WP:PERNOM. After all, Jasynnash2 did slap up that unsightly, "This is not a majority vote," template.. so of course he is referring to all votes, and not just the keep votes. Right? ...Right? SashaNein (talk) 18:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course I meant all "votes". Sorry if that wan't clear by my actions in the first place. I'll try to be more transparent in my actions in future. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:15, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Reply I can extend it to as many words as you'd like, but having checked for news articles about this person and  and noticing that those hits don't seem to be for this guy.  Refining search by adding either voice  or actor, and having looked through normal Google hits for "Dave McRae" voice actor  which are minimal and do not provide any evidence of reliable third party sources discussing him, I think I am entitled to say I agree with the nominator that he is not notable, either from info found in the article, or from info that can subsequently be found by searching the web.


 * Have also noticed that the edit claiming him to be 'one of Canada's top voice artists' on the linked International Modeling and Talent Association page was added by a very similar IP to the one claiming to be his PR Manager, and who's main interest was also D McRae see: Special:Contributions/24.57.146.167.  I do actually investigate these things if I'm going to leave more than a passing comment.  Summary of my investigation is "I agree with the nominator and Jasynnash2" -Hunting dog (talk) 21:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Do not delete - I disagree totally with the above nomination. I just recently finished a paper for a university class on the entertainment industry and television voice overs in Canada. The information on this wikipedia page was awesome, because it gave me the basics of someone working in Canada, and led me to his official site, where all the information was. You guys say he has no notable work? have you been to his site, and the voice over page? You delete this guy, you might as well delete every voice artist. Wikipedia is awesome, and this article helped me into getting more information on this gentleman. There are far more pages that need deleting than this, trust me. -User:Mastermind81: — Mastermind81 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment welcome to this discussion and to wikipedia (glad you found the project useful). Please review the policies and guidelines of the project and than address the issues of this article from that standpoint. I've placed a welcome template on your usertalk page to aid you in that endeavour. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Do not delete - I can see what the other users are saying about the promotional aspect of the article, but this does not warrant a deletion, it needs a rewrite of the information. It's not like this guy is some fraud, I'm pretty sure he is who he seems to be, but the article needs to be re-written, not deleted. So if anyone knows this guy and wants to pipe up and re write, go to town. Thats what needs to be done. I vote for re-write, not delete. Mastermind 81 is right, there are far more ridiculous articles, some with only 1 or 2 sentences that need to be deleted. This guy is clearly a professional in his industry who has had a poor article written about him. That's all. bobbydog96 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 16:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)  —  bobbydog96 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:19, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment And welcome to you as well. Again as I stated above please have a review of our policies and guidelines and discuss the article using those points. I'll be along shortly to your usertalk page to place a welcome tag which should point you in the correct general direction. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:19, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

* do not delete No one has brought it to my attention. To be quite honest, I stumbled upon this page after learning his was the voice of Final 24, one of my favorite documentary series, nonetheless plain and simple it warrants a re-write not a delete. This is coming from someone who has been surfing wikipeida for years now, and I am disgusted with the amount of crap that seems to appear on the site. Stuff that has no credibility, no reliability and no backup. If this guy Dave McRae had no website to back up his work, I'd probably agree with the deletion, but after looking at this site, it's clear he's a pro, that has had a poor article written about him. It would be a shame to lose this article from the net because of a sloppy written article, not because lack of truthful information.

I hope this is the correct spot to post my thoughts Jasynnash2, I apologize if I am in the wrong section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobbydog96 (talk • contribs) 16:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete without prejudice to recreation. In a few years, he might be notable.  He's got more credits to his name than many folks who are AfD'ed, but he still fails WP:ENTERTAINER per my read. Jclemens (talk) 17:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Do not Delete this is a hard one to figure out, because I agree with bobbydog96, the article is not written properly, yet the guy is credible, and i.m.o deserves a page. I think go for the rewrite, and if something still seems off, than seriously think about deleting until more work comes from this guy, but re-write is needed in my opinion. There is enough there for interest, I certainly found it interesting, I didn't know he was one of the guys who do trailers, and with out this article, I may have never known that. But anyway.....  I think it's just the way it's written.  I have seen a lot worse on extremely notable actors, and filmmakers, and they're never mentioned for deletion or rewrites.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.141.97.163 (talk) 18:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The IP address used to make the above comment has been used to make 2 edits. The first was a message on my talk page signed "Rich Houston public relations Dave McRae". The second is the above who says they didn't know what Dave did. Duffbeerforme (talk) 10:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Do not keep per the Delete voter's rationale and the rampant "do not delete" votes that are usually a clear sign that an article needs to go. JuJube (talk) 18:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Meatpuppet keeps and "per nom" deletes everywhere. This is probably the weakest AFD discussion ever made. Newcomers need to be politely educated about policies, and veterans need to be flogged with a wooden spoon. SashaNein (talk) 18:43, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Replied above - assuming being a voter who had edited WP before today makes me count as a veteran, I'd prefer a WP:trout to a wooden spoon. -Hunting dog (talk) 22:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and actresses-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  22:48, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment Has anyone actually tried to contact this McRae guy? To see if he really does have a public relations manager named Richard Houston? Or are we just going to speculate? I also saw the posting on your discussion Duffbeerforme, and you're right, it's totally the same IP address, clearly someone messing around. But there is an easy way to figure this out, send him an e-mail or contact his agents...I would assume he, or they would like to know if some idiot is messing around on wikipedia pretending to be afiliated with him. I still think the guy deserves a page however. Like I stated above it helped me in a final paper for university last spring. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mastermind81 (talk • contribs) 15:19, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete. Only a few of minor roles for the moment and no substantial third-party coverage by reliable sources that I could find. Might become notable in the future but for now definitely fails WP:CREATIVE. Note to those doing google-searching: there are apparently a few other people with the same name who might actually be notable (one is the CEO of University Health Systems of Eastern Carolina and another is an academic from the Australian National University), so beware of false positives when googling. Nsk92 (talk) 00:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


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