Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Davey Nate


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  16:51, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Davey Nate

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Non-notable musician. Davey Nate has received co-lyricist, lyricist, co-producer or producer credits on lots of songs, but no significant coverage can be found. All of the citations in the article are just credits on various songs. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:11, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:20, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 11:21, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 I strongly disagree with your viewpoint. Davey Nate has been the discussion of many articles including reddit.com where he is working with high level k-pop singers. He's accreddited on all the artists' music wikipedia songs and albums. I do believe it is notable to be written about in several publication and to be a well-known k-pop, pop writer/composer. Please re-consider. Dman54321 (talk) 17:53, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Our opinions clearly differ on the notability of this artist. The community can decide.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 18:22, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment "Many articles" don't count if they don't meet WP:RS.  Redit,  for instance, is unlikely to count.
 * You're comment was added after our conversation below. And without a signature. To add, Reddit is a very well established news source. Dman54321 (talk) 01:03, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Delete - Non-notable musician as nominated, (self-promotional article created by the subject IMO). - FlightTime  ( open channel ) 18:17, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Keep - Notability is the property of being worthy of notice, having fame, or being considered to be of a high degree of interest, significance, or distinction. It also refers to the capacity to be such. Persons who are notable due to public responsibility, accomplishments, or, even, mere participation in the celebrity industry are said to have a public profile. Dman54321 (talk) 19:04, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment For the purposes of inclusion at Wikipedia, notability is defined by WP:MUSIC for musicians, and WP:GNG for all topics in general. The article on Notability (as construed broadly in the world) is not relevant to this discussion.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:12, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Davey Nate is not an artist. He's a songwriter composer. WP:MUSIC applies to the artists he's written songs for. They all have wikipedia account and are list on Davey's discography of work. WP:COMPOSER should be his the actual criteria you should be on. Not WP:MUSIC. Have you miscategorized Davey Nate in your pursuing of the article process of deletion? Also, I have not entered his awards. Davey's songs have been heard on radio, tv, and top placements in charts in different countries. Please allow me to add this detail in which would prove why this article should remain. Dman54321 (talk) 19:29, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment The criteria of WP:COMPOSER specifically state:
 * Composers, songwriters, librettists or lyricists, may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria
 * The one criterion that may be met by Nate is "composer, co-composer, lyricist or co-lyricist of a notable song" (for the song "Hey Mama!" by the K-Pop group EXO-CBX. But there is no reliable source to qualify his contribution to this song, and this criteria only speaks to composers who may be notable. We still require multiple instances of significant coverage, none of which have been found. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:35, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment I`m trying to make this work. Does it not matter that Davey Nate is listed as a writer on Pitbull (rapper)'s Wikipedia album Climate Change (album) for the song Bad Man (Pitbull song)? Is that not creditable? Is Discogs not creditable since the information comes directly from the master release form from the record label? Is Reddit not creditable mentioning his work with EXO-CBX? Also I've found another link for Hey Mama!  Dman54321 (talk) 22:41, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

I've expressed my opinions about the available sources. You've expressed yours. Let's let the rest of the community say what they will. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 02:03, 21 July 2017 (UTC) That's fine we both have our differences and that's what makes us human. I do want to let the record show that the premise of your deletion procedure was based on the false belief that Davey Nate was a singer/artist. He is not an singer/artist but a composer/songwriter. I understand how this could have affected your swift action to start immediate deletion processes. Your criteria was based on WP:MUSIC when in fact it should have been focused on WP:COMPOSER. I'm all up for suggestions and any help anyone can provide me with for the page Davey Nate. I welcome all help and improvements. Just please don't delete but help me instead. I want to improve this article so that users can benefit from it. Very plainly Nate's wikipedia reflects factual work he's done with the artists listed. No smokes or mirrors. Just fact. Thank you. Dman54321 (talk) 02:36, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * How can you improve nobility if it's not there ? -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 02:49, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * All credits are there. Dman54321 (talk) 01:04, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete I agree with the nominator this artist or composer is not notable. Puffery and -CITEKILL have been removed from the article. CITEKILL is frequently used to try to make a subject look notable. A name dropping laundry list has been removed from the lede twice now. Notability is of course not inherited. Antonioatrylia (talk) 03:27, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


 * You failed notice you removed sources along with your CITEFILL claim. I want to point out to go look at other songwriters in the music business. They all have what you called "Laundry List" of artists they worked with. That's were I pulled the idea to make for Davey Nate. You have been unhelpful with your edits since you've overlooked other key edits I've made. I've removed singer from his profile twice and you've placed it back on. I've placed sources on the bottom songs of Davey's page but you removed those. Under which premise did you remove the bottom sources? I'm just assuming you didn't take enough time to closely look at what your doing. Instead I think you were solely focus on hitting the undo button. To date those are still removed by you after I replaced them. Dman54321 (talk) 01:03, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe you never had a chsnce to read WP:CITEKILL, but the premise is to remove some of the references and sources because there are way too many listed. Read over the policy if you wish to hear the rationale for the policy. As for the removal of the name dropping laundry list of celeb names in the lead you will find that WP:OTHERTHINGSEXIST is never a good argument in a situation like this. Antonioatrylia (talk) 02:04, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I read it from the first couple edits you made a few days ago. I'm ok with you deleting the over citations on the top songs. However, you removed single citations form songs per song. I'm seeing your missing the point. You're leaning too much on Citekill and it doesn't explain why you've overlooked all other appropriate edits and adjustments I've made to improve the article. Isn't that why your here? Is it not to improve articles? Your over looking my attempted improvements. Dman54321 (talk) 02:37, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment I have had my say here. I have quoted the policies which back up my edits. My !ivote stands as Delete. I have no plans to get drawn into any fruitless arguements regarding my improvements to the article. This is not the proper place. Antonioatrylia (talk) 03:14, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom; I am also intending to hat various WP:BADGERING comments of unnecessarily extended content. &mdash; fortuna  velut luna  09:46, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


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