Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Bedein


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

David Bedein

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Article merely for self-promotion. The lead contained even spam. Wickey-nl (talk) 13:17, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - Notability and importance not established in the article. --MrRatermat2 (talk) 13:20, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - After rechecking, I've changed my mind, the article COULD be kept if you include more images and more information. I do not know anything about this person so I sadly cannot help. --MrRatermat2 (talk) 17:35, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
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 * Weak keep There are too many Google Books hits by third parties mentioning or quoting him or his work. His film has been the subject of multiple reviews per CREATIVE: e.g: http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/entertainment-reviews/78855971/challenging-unrwa and http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-11-01/news/fl-jjdc-unrwa-1102-20111101_1_unrwa-schools-west-bank-and-gaza-hamas --  GreenC  07:31, 15 December 2013 (UTC)


 * That would plead for an article about Bedein's propaganda activities, respectively his film, rather than a biographic one --> http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/arutz-sheva-forced-publish-denial-over-%E2%80%9Cgroundless%E2%80%9D-%E2%80%9Cpolitically. This would, however, make it a propaganda platform. Actually, Google mainly points to links with links to Bedein's work or interviews with him. Google Books is even a less valid criterion. --Wickey-nl (talk) 10:12, 15 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Not "pleading" sorry, but see CREATIVE #3, review coverage of a person's work counts towards notability of that person. Calling it "propaganda" without a reliable source is a personal bias. Google Books references are a very reliable criteria. --  GreenC  16:42, 15 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Precisely Arutz Sheva is an extreme propaganda platform. I presume a neutral approach here, but isn't a Google search a very strange approach? Shouldn't you judge based on the content of the article itself??? I would advice you to take a look at the Talk page and at the links to the article as well. --Wickey-nl (talk) 17:36, 15 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Not sure what your goal here is Wickey-nl. The subject plainly satisfies the criteria for notability and inclusion on the basis of WP:CREATIVE guidelines alone. You may dislike/dispute the subject's writing and/or the outlets that publish those writings or screen films. However, that is an issue you can take up in an appropriate venue outside of Wiki. Don't get caught in WP:OVERZEALOUS attempts to delete a qualifying entry. --Vitamin77 (talk) 22:43, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I maintain that the article is merely used for self-promotion. The reactions here only confirm that it will be kept for political reasons. Don't reverse the facts, I have no problem with a good article. --Wickey-nl (talk) 11:02, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The subject's satisfaction of inclusion criteria has already been established. I encourage editors to continue improving this entry with more material. Vitamin77 (talk) 19:58, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, even if one were to establish "the article is merely used for self-promotion" (ie. COI) that doesn't negate notability. (And COI has not been established.) In terms of PROMOTION, that is a content-level argument, AfD is a topic level discussion i.e. should we have an article on this topic, regardless of the article's content. -- GreenC  20:15, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - David IS a notable and well known journalist, covering the Middle-East and primarily the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Yasser Arafat, who WOULD know a thing or two on this topic, was on first-name terms with him, and used to refer to Bedein as a "thorn in his side", due to his unfavorable coverage. I will try and source this quote, and otherwise fill out the entry. — Shmuel A. Kam (talk) 19:23, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - Article needs improving. But someone who can make UNWRA issue a statement like http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/official-statements/unrwa-rejects-allegations-incitement-baseless-statement-unrwa may be highly controversial, but he certainly seems notable. --Alvestrand (talk) 14:22, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - This is a pretty obvious "keep". Bedein is known as a serious presence in the Middle East/Israeli journalism scene. His investigations have caused problems for alot of Israeli and Arab politicians. --Vitamin77 (talk) 20:50, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - Whether one likes him or not, considers him a propagandist or something else, all this is quite irrelevant for the discussion at hand, imho. Especially when it is UNWRA that makes the stink. People living in glass houses should not cast stones, and UNWRA's glass house is quite opaque (on purpose). This is one of the vilest orgs in the Middle East, which would rather give out fish to the needy than teaching them how to fish for themselves. It's a self-perpetuating evil leech, sucking up resources, enslaving people to their handouts, and sowing the seeds of destruction and distrust between Arabs and Jews in the Middle East, as well as between Arabs and the West, which is feeding this UNWRA monster. Enough already! You want to help the "refugee problem"? Merge UNWRA into UNHCR for starters. Anyone who puts UNWRA on the defensive is doing the taxpayers a good service as far as transparency and accountability go. -- Seva.Brodsky 17:40, 17 December 2013 (EST)


 * Keep - Bedein's recent documentary about UNRWA was significant enough to be included in the discussions between the Prime Minister of Israel and the US Secretary of State (http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/11/12/report-netanyahu-played-arab-incitement-footage-for-kerry-video/). — Alan Yaniger 9:18, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Another use of an improper link for improper arguing. --Wickey-nl (talk) 11:02, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - Deletion was requested for political reasons. Bedein has been a notable, important journalist since the 1980s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronald Shafran (talk • contribs) 22:52, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
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