Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Dragunsky


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. WP:SNOW (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  08:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

David Dragunsky

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Largely uncited WP:BIO that has some potential errors e.g. it states that in 1977 he was designated as the chair of the Anti-Zionist Committee of the Soviet Public, but that organisation only came to existence in 1983. Nicnote say hello!contribs 17:33, 30 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep - needs to be re-written, but completely notable. Deletion would leave Dragunsky the only person awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union (Soviet equivilant to the medal of honor) twice without an article. I have long intended to clean up every article in the list, but haven't gotten to it yet since it existed already and isn't a one sentence stub. Dragunsky is mentioned in a plethora of Russian language sources that will be added to the article. Also, it is NOT a BLP, he died in 1992. Innacuraccies can easily be removed and corrected, sources can be replaced with better ones, but that doesn't change the fact that he was one of less than 200 people awarded the title HSU twice and that deletion would make him the ONLY twice HSU without an article (despite him not being less notable than everyone else on the list).--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 17:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * This article has tagged for sourcing since 2012! If you can help, please do. Nicnote say hello!contribs 17:55, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Being deficient in sourcing does not automatically render a subject non-notable. It is physically possible for the most notable of articles to lack good sourcing. None of which makes them less notable. Calling in the article rescue squad because you want a stub expanded and rewritten is an abuse of the AFD process. This article clearly does not meet the criteria for deletion, and you should never have nominated it for deletion in the first place. Please stop wasting my time asking me to improve the article - yes, I will, eventually. But I expect you to withdraw the deletion ASAP before I get down to buisiness and write a single paragraph. Because of your manipulative behavior here by hoping that causing panic would get the article more attention and result in improvements, I will have to de-prioritize this article in my to-do list to discourage future repeat offenses.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 18:05, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions.  Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  20:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  20:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep Dragunsky is notable per WP:GNG and WP:MILPEOPLE with significant coverage in Russian sources, being a colonel general, and relatively rare double Hero of the Soviet Union, his country's highest honorary title. AfD is not cleanup. Kges1901 (talk) 20:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, meets WP:GNG (article has plenty of references), and WP:MILPERSON, awarded Hero of the Soviet Union, soviet union's highest honor, not once but twice (only 154 double recipients)!! ps. i note that the article did not have a notability concern tag (see here), but rather, a "article needs editing tag" ie. " includes a list of references, related reading or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations.", a reminder to nominators WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep per Kges1901. Double HSU so definitely notable!! May need some amendments though. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:48, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep meets WP:SOLDIER and WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 06:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Speedy Keep. Per WP:SOLDIER, WP:GNG and WP:SNOW. Being a recipient of the Hero of the Soviet Union (twice!) makes the subject notable. That the article needs a lot of work is not a criterion for deletion.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  07:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.