Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Emory (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep. JERRY talk contribs 02:34, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

David Emory
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This article is largely unreferenced conspiracy BS. Five references are included, and it's doubtful whether any one of them constitutes a reliable source. Two references are to a book published in 1981 by Paul Manning; as far as I can determine, Emory himself is not even mentioned in the book. Then there are references to Emory's own website, and to some fringe filmmaker who is allegedly making a documentary about him. A large portion of the article reads like spam. I put a prod tag on the article and it was removed by an anonymous editor. The last AFD verdict was to keep the article but remove various policy violations. That hasn't happened and there is no evidence it ever will. This article appears to be owned by a handful of conspiracy nuts. *** Crotalus *** 12:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Note The AFD notice was removed almost immediately by an anonymous editor. I've reverted it. *** Crotalus *** 12:29, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - after the last AfD, I thought I'd fixed it with several over a dozen edits. It appears to have been the subject of vandalism.  It's someone else's turn.  I don't own this one. Bearian (talk) 18:34, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Keep--This is interesting. Someone--"Crotalus Horridus"--who declines to use his or her real name moving to delete an article about a syndicated talk show host, whose work has been on the air in Los Angeles, New York, the Silicon Valley and a number of other places for decades. After removing references to Emory from mainstream publications such as "The Washington Post," the Anonymous Ones claim that there are no mainstream references to Emory's work. Odd. Deleting references from mainstream sources and then claiming that no mainstream sources recognize him is revealing of the focus of the critics. "Rattler" might do a Google search on Emory. The filmmaker working on the documentary has excerpts from another work about Emory available. It is not an "allegation." Later--Farstriker


 * Delete-not noteable.--70.109.223.188 (talk) 20:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep -No just cause for deletion. This is a bio page of a living person.  Abundant references to Mr. Emory in the mainstream press were provided last time the page was up for deletion.  His racket is public radio & conspiracy theory, just what kind of 'reliable sources' did you expect Crotalus? Also his name is Dave not David. Haters keep your wigs on. -chipdipkkill- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.211.202.141 (talk) 18:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep — His sources are given in the programs. Since his programs deal with public figures and events, you can use such resources as Facts on File, newspaper/magazine microfilms, and of course everything you can access via the World Wide Web to check his assertions. Bandy (talk) 20:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's what Peterhoneyman already listed:
 * Keep — And since this is the 2nd deletion attempt and the guy has been on the radio for multiple decades, and there was also a lengthy list of major publications that mentioned Dave Emory over the years in the 1st deletion attempt page, perhaps it would be useful to reprint that list so that the advocates of deletion can directly address:


 * He is quoted in this NY Times magazine article.
 * The Washington Times suggested he was the inspiration for Mel Gibson's movie Conspiracy Theory
 * He is quoted in another Washington Times article
 * This one is particularly apt
 * Here is an article about a ham-fisted attempt to silence Emory
 * This article has a couple of paragraphs devoted to Emory
 * This one is particularly apt
 * Here is an article about a ham-fisted attempt to silence Emory
 * This article has a couple of paragraphs devoted to Emory
 * This article has a couple of paragraphs devoted to Emory
 * This article has a couple of paragraphs devoted to Emory

David Emory often mentions the "controled demolition freaks". Well one of them wrote this article. The tip-off is the whole anti-Zionist propoganda as well as the 9/11 lie of controlled demolition. Those who believe this are simply mentally deranged; have issued to say the least. So mention of this should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zensixties (talk • contribs) 02:09, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Here an additional article:
 * "JFK Conspiracy", City News Service. August 21, 1997.  This article involved a 1997 JFK conference Dave Emory was a speaker at.  The ADL was protesting this particular conference because of some of the anti-semitic nature of some of the speakers, including Michael Collins Piper.  Piper refers to Emory as his "ideological adversary" in that article, and it mentions that the two often fight at different JFK conventions:

Also, the 2nd story referenced by Peterhoneyman, "Real life conspiracy theories that inspired Mel Gibsons new film" (where Dave Emory is said to be the 'most obvious' real world inspiration for Mel Gibsons character), was also printed in the Scottish Daily  Record. So add international news references to Mr. Emory's CV.

The folks that continue to push for the deletion of this entry need to address the numerous publications that have mentioned his work. --Newsie23 (talk) 03:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


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