Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Golshan


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. –MuZemike 19:19, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

David Golshan

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Seems to have cash and was on a TV show; but neither are enough to establish notability. Appears to lack significant coverage in reliable sources. That's the test to be applied. Mkativerata (talk) 11:08, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
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 * Delete per above. Not only does this person appear to have no significant notability, but the biography section is extremely unencyclopedic in tone, is very self-promotional. Mmyers1976 (talk) 15:40, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment. Note the following has been placed on the article's talk page by an IP who has edited the article. I take this to be an argument to keep the article so am posting it here: "David Golshan has several article about him on the Internet. starred in an extremely high rated TV show, owns a notable website and fashion company and has a pretty ok size fan base. He definitely deserves a WIKI page." --Mkativerata (talk) 23:03, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The IP who posted that is User:76.205.150.14. Have you looked at this user's Contributions history? It is SOLELY comprised of him either updating Golshan's article or including mention of Golshan in other articles. It is obvious that 76.205.150.14 IS David Golshan. His contributions to his own article and others violate the "Self-promotion and indiscriminate publicity" section of WP:NOTE and WP:CONFLICT, and his weighing in on whether or not he is notable is another violation of WP:CONFLICT. Though I recognize that Mkativerata was acting in good faith when he brought 76.205.150.14's comments here, the comments themselves have no place here.Mmyers1976 (talk) 15:45, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree; I just think it prudent to let the article's contributors have their say, even if their say is likely to be discounted for having no base in policy. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:36, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * How do we cite references from other websites on David Golshan? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.205.150.14 (talk) 23:43, 5 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Post the links here; other editors can evaluate them and, if they're reliable sources, they will be incorporated into the article. Or, you can add them yourself, if you like. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 14:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 14:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't find adequate sources for this one; happy to change to Keep if those sources become apparent, but I can't show notability with what we've got.

This is Vladamir Dolce. Here are tons of adequate sources. Please review and advise.

http://www.iranian.com/main/2009/feb/david-golshan

http://www.persianesquemagazine.com/tag/david-golshan/

http://www.bravotv.com/the-millionaire-matchmaker/season-2/brett-jacobson-david-golshan

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/prweb/TA74RO4IGP43H70JU

http://crushable.com/entertainment/first-millionaire-matchmaker-client-a-real-funny-guy/

http://www.designtaxi.com/news.php?id=24086&month=2&year=2009

http://www.history-of-music.com/music-news/hollywood-producers-say-tinseltowns-newest-playboy-david-golshan-could-be-the-next-sasha-baron-cohen.html

www.HollywoodSuccess.com/press_releases.htm

2 More

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/item_is5I93dMhIFYZeOYGSNONL

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2009/02/review-the-mill.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.198.116 (talk) 19:38, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete: Closest thing to notability is one episode of a reality TV show with no dedicated coverage in reliable sources.   Mbinebri   talk &larr; 02:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Pal, look at all the sources. The guy is doing stand up at the Comedy Store in LA amongst other things. The guy is all over the place. I have seen wiki pages for people nobody has even heard of —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.198.116 (talk) 05:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Look at this. Dancing parody video he did with 75,000 youtuve views http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBfthU7RJow Keep David Golshan Page

Page about David Golshan was updated. Before deletion please consider that on wikipedia there are other pages similar to David's for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maz_Jobrani http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_peters

thank you for review,

Pavel (The-Alchemist) —Preceding unsigned comment added by The-alechmist (talk • contribs) 06:36, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment Regarding the two articles that The-Alchemist brings up, these two subjects look like they are of questionable notability themselves, which I am not going to go into here, but even they have more reason to be encyclopedically notable than Golshan based on comparing their careers versus his, so bringing them up doesn't help the case to keep the article. As far as having been on one episode of Millionare Matchmaker goes, that is no criterion for notability. If we were to consider people notable for being featured as having hired Millionaire Matchmaker to help them find a date, we would have to consider anyone who was featured on HGTV "House Hunters" because they wanted to buy a house notable. The sources that 76.94.198.116 posted here (which are also many of the same sources in the reference section on the page in question) do not prove notablility, as some are stories about the Millionaire Matchmaker TV show that happen to mention the episode with Golshan, in which case my sentence immediately preceding this one applies, some are blogs, and some are press releases from "Hollywoodsuccess.com" or PRWeb (or reposts of these press releases). Hollywoodsuccess.com and PRWeb are for-pay promotional tools that actors and their agents use to promote their careers, so again we find Golshan's page failing to meet notability based on the "Self-promotion and indiscriminate publicity" section of WP:NOTE. Some other "sources" are Funny or Die and youtube submissions, which are open-source websites that anyone can upload a video to, so having a video on them is no proof of notability. Transient mention in narrow-interest websites catering to the Iranian-American community or the clothing design industry are not sufficient to establish notability. I have been mentioned, even had articles I have written accepted for publication and printed in several trade magazines in my field, but I do not pretend to be notable for the purposes of Wikipedia notability. Remember that WP:NOTE says "notability is not temporary", and I would add that the potential to be notable in the future does not itself qualify as notability(WP:CRYSTAL). The acid test should be, if Golshan did nothing else with his life going forward besides what he has already done, would he be a significant enough figure to be included here in 10 years?Mmyers1976 (talk) 18:27, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

In reference to mmyers statement that the other comedian pages are "these two subjects look like they are of questionable notability themselves". If those other 2 are "questionable" as well, then me should just go ahead and delete every person on Wikipedia who is not starring in the latest blockbuster feature film grossing over $100,000,000. The preceding statement about comparing Golshan Mmyers1976| is absurd. Golshan did not pay anything for the "Millionaire Matchmaker", they paid him. Welcome to Hollywood. All reality ahows are scripted my friend. On a small side note, it was one of the highest rated hours ever for the television station that broadcast it. His name is constantly googled (you can look it up on Google Trends). In addition, he is working as a stand up comedian in his field and own several highly successful ventures outside of show business. 90% of the people on Wiki are not going to be remembered in 10 years if they did nothing else. Think about it and dont deny the many many people who want to read about David Golshan on Wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JamesKennedy1965 (talk • contribs) 20:55, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Mr. Kennedy, let's all please remember that Civility (WP:CIVIL) is one of the 5 pillars of Wikipedia, and as such, hyperbolic statements like "then me(sic) should just go ahead and delete every person on Wikipedia who is not starring in the latest blockbuster feature film grossing over $100,000,000," and statements with a sarcastic tone like "Welcome to Hollywood," and "All reality ahows are scripted my friend," are not necessary or constructive. Remember that we are all working on the same goal here, to improve the encyclopedia. From the tone of your comment, it sounds like you are getting a little emotionally invested in the article and this AfD, and it may be helpful to step back and take a breath and a break. Golshan not being considered notable at this time is not the end of the world, nor is it any reflection of his worth as a person (which is all I was saying when I compared him to myself). It also does not mean Golshan won't be notable in the future. Remember Viewpoint 1 of WP:NORUSH. There will be plenty of opportunity to develop an article for Golshan in the future if his career(s) develop to the point where he will be notable. But right now just being a comedian or a successful small businessman (or both) doesn't qualify one for notability, and Google trends don't meet the requirement for "significant coverage" as discussed in WP:NOTE. As you are new to editing Wikipedia and may not fully understand the standards for notability yet, I really recommend you read WP:NOTE, and I hope it will give you a better understanding of where those of us who are voting Delete are coming from. It's nothing personal to Golshan or to you or anyone else who is supportive of his article.Mmyers1976 (talk) 15:45, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Delete as non-notable and promotional spam. --Nuujinn (talk) 15:09, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
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