Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Hodgkiss


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The result was keep. OBE is generally accepted as conferring notability. In combination with the rest, this is a keep. Randykitty (talk) 14:13, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

David Hodgkiss

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A bio created in violation of WP:NOTNEWS after the subjects death from coronavirus; there is no deep coverage from reliable sources that don't include the word "coronavirus." . I don't see how being the chairman of a notable cricket club meets WP:ATHLETE or WP:CORP. I don't see any mentions of chairman in other cricket club articles. Prod was disputed. OhNo itsJamie Talk 17:49, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 18:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Per nom, beyond routine coverage I can't find any in-depth coverage. Certainly fails WP:CRIN too. StickyWicket (talk) 19:48, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, I found one possibly RS (cricbuzz) which had an article about his appointment, other than that just routine coverage of announcements he made as chairman of Lancs. Minor other point, but the google search above uses "Lancaster" instead of "Lancashire", not that it makes much difference to the results. Spike &#39;em (talk) 11:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG - he ran a large sports franchise as CEO, and was awarded an OBE. His obit was the Guardian. The article is a mere stub, but can be improved easily. Bearian (talk) 01:16, 22 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I figured out what may have made your searches difficult; his name is often used in full as "David Michael William Hodgkiss". Anyway, i found some more sources, proved he was an OBE, which makes him presumed notable per WP:OUTCOMES. Please ping me if you have any questions. Bearian (talk) 01:55, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * which part of OUTCOMES are you suggesting is relevant here, as I can't see any that cover either CEOs of small companies or sports clubs, or OBEs? Also, Lancaster County does not exist in England. Spike &#39;em (talk) 07:31, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Lancs refers to Lancashire which is both an extant and historic county. Lancashire County Cricket Club is one of England's major professional Cricket Clubs. It is not a small sports club Dunarc (talk) 22:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The editor directly above added mentions of Lancaster to the article, I was trying to point out to them that this was not appropriate. I also meant "(small companies) or sports clubs" rather than "small (companies or sports clubs)" as OUTCOMES only mentions CEOs of large companies, with no mention of sports CEOs. I am fully aware of the status of Lancashire CCC. Spike &#39;em (talk) 09:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Although votes have been trending towards a keep, some of the concerns raised in comments to keep votes haven't been addressed yet (for example, that the OBE doesn't necessarily indicate presumed notability).
 * Keep, with new sourcing we now have coverage of his life and death in a wide range of media. Blythwood (talk) 03:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. No, an OBE does not equate to presumed notability. Although a CBE (the next higher grade, and much rarer) would. However, I think that combined with his role at a very high-profile sports club and media coverage push him over the notability bar. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:11, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as he was a notable businessman and was given OBE for his services + add his contributions for cricket as an administrator. Passes WP:GNG. Störm   (talk)  11:49, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: He was awarded fourth rank of Order of the British Empire (per The Guardian, see also 2014 Birthday Honours), I think this should count towards notability but it might not be enough per WP:ANYBIO. I'm not familiar with the award though. A lot of pre-March coverage is WP:ROUTINE (e.g. ). Is there any particular set of sources that editors consider WP:SIGCOV and WP:SUSTAINED? --MarioGom (talk) 13:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam-2727 (talk) 22:29, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't think the British award is worth much for notability. The commenters so far haven't established a reason why the British award should confer notability, other than that an award exists. The other sources don't confer notability by the notability guidelines that I can see, and I'm sorry to say I wasn't able to find any other useful sources, so delete. Ikjbagl (talk) 06:06, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - this feature in the Manchester Evening News when he became chairman is useful and doesn’t seemed to have been cited yet. OBE is definitely not a sign of notability, there are several hundred people in the UK who are awarded this every year. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 09:02, 4 May 2020 (UTC)


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