Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Lloyd (footballer, born 1872)


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:16, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

David Lloyd (footballer, born 1872)

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This player has not played a match in a fully professional league. He played in the Southern League for Thames Ironworks, Brentford and Fulham and never appeared in the Football League. He is not listed in the very reliable Football League Players' Records 1888 to 1939 by Mike Joyce. Beatpoet (talk) 20:08, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
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 * Delete - played for various clubs which now play in fully pro leagues, but at the time played in regional semi-pro/amateur football, so fails WP:FOOTYN, also fails WP:GNG -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:48, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - The criterion about fully professional leagues is somewhat irrelevant here, as at that time there were plenty of amateurs playing in the Football League. If this was the sole criterion, you will need to delete hundreds of perfectly sourced and well written articles in Category:Southern Football League players. Why does an article about an obscure player in the early days of Manchester United merit keeping, but not one from the early days of West Ham United. Ooh! Sorry, I forgot. Anything goes if it's Manchester Bloody United. 78.147.148.249 (talk) 04:55, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per IP 78.147.148.249.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:18, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - I am renowned for usually being a staunch WP:NFOOTBALL supporter - but given that this player's career pre-dates the professional era, I don't think it really applies here, and instead I would argue his number of appearances in one of the top leagues of the time, as well as the coverage in books, means he is probably notable. GiantSnowman 11:38, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. I don't think the project would gain by deleting articles like this because of a strict adherence to a guideline that isn't really applicable.  And credit to those who have expanded the article. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:45, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
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 * Keep -- He played in a predecessor of League Division 3. According to Southern Football League, its premier division was in 1920 absorbed by the Football League.  As someone playing for one of that leagues founder clubs, I think the article is worth keeping.  He may not quite fit the criteria applied to later periods, but in dealing with more distant periods, rules applicable to the present day when professional sport is ubiquitous cannot necessarily be applied to earlier ones.  Peterkingiron (talk) 17:46, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:20, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


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