Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. The BLP1E arguments ahve not been rebuted. Consensus to delete has been established. Courcelles 18:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

David Madden (Jeopardy! contestant)
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Although the person received media coverage at the time of their appearance on a game show, there is no notability beyond the single event. Recentism is factor, as there has been little/no coverage since the initial appearance on a game show. WP:BLP1E can also be applied.

Nomination follows reasons listed in other similar deletion discussions, including the following:
 * "Winning...on a game show does not strike me as meeting the threshold for notability, even if it leads to a couple of additional appearances down the road."
 * "It's a game show. It has winners. There are other game shows. They have winners. I don't think we need a directory of every successful game show contestant."
 * "Winning [$xx,000] or temporarily holding the winnings record do not establish notability."
 * "Clearly a figure of transient notability."

Appearing on 22 episodes of a game show and setting a record in a high school quiz bowl are not criteria that proves notability. Article also contains WP:OR about records he "is believed" to hold, such as "the longest ever 'real-time' champion since he taped his first show on December 14, 2004 and his last regular play show on July 9, 2005" Bulk of statistics in article are also unreferenced. Article contains anectodal mention of a hike the subject made across the US for charity, which again does not prove notability.

Article was nominated individually after initially being included in a bundeled AFD.  Sottolacqua  (talk) 14:34, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment The nominator should withdraw the above nomination and re-nominate with remarks addressed to this individual article and its notability rather than a generalized cut-and-paste nomination which may falsely attribute quotations of anonymous other editors, out of context, to this nomination. Robert K S (talk) 15:24, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment—This nomination includes remarks directly addressed to the subject's notability ("Appearing on 22 episodes of a game show and setting a record in a high school quiz bowl are not criteria that proves notability. Article also contains WP:OR about records he "is believed" to hold, such as "the longest ever 'real-time' champion since he taped his first show on December 14, 2004 and his last regular play show on July 9, 2005" Bulk of statistics in article are also unreferenced. Article contains anectodal mention of a hike the subject made across the US for charity, which again does not prove notability.") The quotations from earlier AFDs were included because the similar rational and related discussion for their deletion apply to my nomination of this article for deletion. The similar structure of this AFD to other recent AFDs also applies because of the similar notability claims of those articles and the result of the earlier bundled AFD in which they were all included.  Sottolacqua  (talk) 17:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Cirt (talk) 12:26, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Wikipedia is not the Guinness Book of Gameshow Trivia. Are we going to start memorializing lottery winners, too? —Carrite, Oct. 11, 2010.
 * Move to David Madden's Jeopardy! appearance to satisfy WP:BLP1E (where subjects notable for one event should be covered in the event article) and rewrite article to fit the new title. The subject meets WP:GNG due to significant coverage in two newspapers: Daily Princetonian and New York Times.  I couldn't find any significant coverage of Madden outside of his Jeopardy! appearance, though.  RJaguar3 &#124;  u  &#124;  t  19:32, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:13, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:13, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge multiple contestants who have no other coverage into a list article, such as List of notable Jeopardy! contestants. No reason for each person to have his or her own article, based on my brief review of the evidence, but these appear to have non-trivial coverage in multiple reliable sources.  Thus, if merged into a list, there's a clear potential for an FLC to come out of this. Jclemens (talk) 20:40, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete blatant WP:BLP1E. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 19:03, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * So why not move it to David Madden's Jeopardy! appearance to turn it into an article about the event, which is how WP:BLP1E suggests resolving the issue when notability is demonstrated (as seen in the sources given in the article. (I would also be in favor of a merge to List of Jeopardy! champions, where notability is presumed as requisite for inclusion.) RJaguar3 &#124;  u  &#124;  t  04:41, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * EDIT: That last link should have been List of Jeopardy! contestants to allow for the inclusion of notable contestants who didn't win their games.  RJaguar3 &#124;  u  &#124;  t  04:42, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Creating an article entitled "David Madden's Jeopardy! appearance" doesn't solve the problem, because the event itself has not received on-going coverage. The last sentence in WP:BLP1E says, "The significance of an event or individual should be indicated by how persistent the coverage is in reliable sources."  (Emphasis mine.)  -- JTSchreiber (talk)
 * David's charity hike received persistent reliable coverage. Robert K S (talk) 12:25, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep, or at least table. He's in charge of the National History Bee later this year, which I suspect will generate some press. 271828182 (talk) 21:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm a basketball guy, so I'll liken this to an appropriate basketball analogy: An article exists called Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game. Why? Because it was the highest, the top achievement of its kind. Shortly after Kobe Bryant scored 81 points, an article titled "Kobe Bryant's 81-point game" was created but was soundly !voted for either delete or redirect (Articles for deletion/Kobe Bryant's 81-point game). This article is akin to Kobe's 81-point game: the second highest does not equal worthy of an article on its own. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:48, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Comment - I think that per WP:BIO1E it should be deleted. However, I wouldn't be opposed to a List of Jeopardy! record holders or something similar, where all those BLP1E contestants for which each event isn't quite notable on its own can be collectively merged, as JClemens points out.--70.80.234.196 (talk) 23:17, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per BLP1E C T J F 8 3  chat 21:49, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge the second-highest winning contestant is sufficiently notable to deserve some kind of entry at least on the list of contestants list. Nergaal (talk) 01:54, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.