Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Mason (trumpet player)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. John254 00:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

David Mason (trumpet player)

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Only notable for one event (and WP:BIO1E). The nearest notability criteria is WP:MUSICBIO - criteria 10, in which the recommendation is a redirect. This was redirected to Penny Lane, but contested. I have looked for sources myself, but they tend to point back to him playing in Penny Lane. In favour of him having a standalone article is that he is named as a soloist on certain recordings, such as this. How far that makes him notable I'm not sure, as I have not yet found reviews of his contributions, or anyone writing about his music playing, other than in reference to Penny lane. I suggest a redirect to Penny_Lane.  SilkTork  *YES! 17:56, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. I do not believe articles about older artists should be deleted just because internet sources are hard to find. Someone with access to British newspaper and magazine files could do the work needed. I do not have that access. If the content is deleted, anyone wanting to find out about the artist's other work would be hindered. Is not one purpose of the encyclopedia to help people find obscure information. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 20:53, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- the wub  "?!"  12:54, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Why was the original redirect contested? If no one provided a good reason, you don't need AFD to reinstate it. -- Mgm|(talk) 18:32, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It was contested on the basis that information on his notability could be found. I have found information that he exists, but nothing yet that indicates notability beyond Penny Lane. I think this is a fair topic for AfD as there are grey areas here and I did not wish to simply assert myself over the other user.  SilkTork  *YES! 13:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt me (talk • contribs) 22:47, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. The article certainly needs more work but I don't think that deleting it is the correct way forward. It's a little unhelpful that some of the "contentious" material (itself a contention which I dispute!) was removed immediately before its being listed here. The not-wildly-contentious claim, that Mason did other work of note beside just being eternally blessed/cursed with the Penny Lane label, just needs a few refs and this can, I think/hope, be done. The user Hullaballoo above is also, I feel, right - the way information on Mason is found and presented has something to do with Internet bias, which can't necessarily be treated as a fair estimate of his notability. Keep, please. DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 12:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to point out that redirecting to Penny_Lane is not a deletion of the information about Mason - simply putting the information in the most appropriate place. Other than his involvement in Penny Lane there appears to be nothing interesting about the chap - he was a profesional musician who also did a bit of teaching. There are a lot of people like that, and the general consensus on Wikipedia is that for a stand alone article a person should meet the criteria on WP:MUSICBIO.  SilkTork  *YES! 13:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added more data, properly cited, to the article, and have another bit to do. Please don't delete this while I'm working on it. Sorry, I don't meant to ignore your points in the para above! - I'm just muiltitasking, badly, right now ... DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 20:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep A bit obscure but just barely passes notability as written and sourcing has been introduced. If we can site the award(s) and any recognitions that would help. Also a prior version noted he had taught many of the current musicians in some field (concert orchestras?) which also seems worth noting. -- Banj e  b oi   02:35, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


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