Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David McCarty (born 1987)


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The result was   keep. nomination withdrawn Spartaz Humbug! 03:31, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

David McCarty (born 1987)

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Non-notable athlete. Hasn't made the big leagues yet. May never. If he does, he may become notable. But not yet. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 21:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails fundamental notability guidelines. Young player, not even a professional.scope_creep (talk) 23:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete, a non-drafted, unsigned mini-camp attendee does not meet WP:ATHLETE. -- Kinu t /c  07:50, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not a valid argument. Per the lengthy debate leading to its adoption as a guideline, WP:ATH is an inclusionary standard, not an exclusionary one. A college athlete who has received non-trivial coverage in the mainstream media meets WP:GNG even if he/she never plays at a professional level.Cbl62 (talk) 17:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete I agree... this player needs more to be here.Silent Bob (talk) 12:20, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:32, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral for now. There's a possibility that a quantity of more reliable sources may be uncovered in the next few days as we search on the topic.  Just reserving judgement a few days...--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:49, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Changed to KEEP I figured that a whole bunch of stuff would turn up. Yes, some is just listing of stats, but all-time leading rusher at a Div I school--yeah, that's worth an entry.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. A college athlete who has received signficant, non-trivial coverage (i.e., more than passing references in game coverage) meet general notability standards.  In this case, McCarty is the all-time rushing leader for Albany, a Division I school.  He actually holds three all-time school records: career leader in rushing yards (3,353), all-purpose running yards (3,979) and 100-yard rushing games (19).  See Official UA Bio.  The formulation of the news search above doesn't pick up the news coverage, but he has received significant, non-trivial coverage in independent, mainstream media outlets.  Examples include: (1) McCarty rushes for 167 yards to lead Albany over Robert Morris, Associated Press Archive, November 3, 2007; (2) McCarty gives Danes'offense its punch, The Daily Gazette (Schenectady, NY), August 19, 2009; (3) McCarty key for Danes, The Daily Gazette, August 18, 2009; (4) Albany's McCarty on record romp, The Saratogian, November 14, 2008; (5) Great Danes, McCarthy run past host Red Flash, The Tribune Democrat, October 4, 2009; (6) McCarty, Johnson excel for UAlbany, The Daily Gazette, November 18, 2007; (7) McCarty healthy for UAlbany homecoming, The Record (Troy, NY), October 10, 2009; (8) McCarty can climb another rung, The Daily Gazette, October 25, 2008; (9) David McCarty (LaSalle/UAlbany) Joins NFL's TB Buccaneers, WRGB CBS TV (Albany), April 27, 2010; (10) Inspiring Students: Passion on the Gridiron (feature story on McCarty), University of Albany, August 25, 2008; (11) McCarty's 2 TDs lead Albany to 55-10 win, The Seattle Times (AP story), October 10, 2009; (12) Released McCarty still hopeful of NFL shot, The Troy Record, May 4, 2010, (13) UAlbany's David McCarty, a Gansevoort native, heads to Tampa Bay Buccaneers' camp, The Saratogian, April 28, 2010; (14) McCarty's 2 TDs lead Albany to 55-10 win, Associated Press Archive - October 10, 2009; (15) McCarty's 2 TDs lead Albany past St. Francis 27-6, Associated Press Archive - October 3, 2009; (16) McCarty's 237 yards leads Albany past Duquesne, Associated Press Archive - October 4, 2008; (17) McCarty's OT run leads Albany past Hofstra, Associated Press Archive - September 14, 2008; (18) McCarty rushes for 167 yards to lead Albany over Robert Morris, Associated Press Archive - November 3, 2007; (19) McCarty rushes for 2 TDs to give Albany 58-21 win, Associated Press Archive - October 21, 2007; (20) McCarty Cleared by Doctor, The Times Union, May 18, 2010  (Former University at Albany running back David McCarty said Monday his doctor gave him a clean bill of health after McCarty tested for an irregular heartbeat during a physical with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers last month.); (21) McCarty shot with Bucs put on hold: Test on UAlbany running back shows an irregular heartbeat, McClatchy-Tribune Regional News (USA) - May 4, 2010 (University at Albany running back David McCarty, who hoped to participate in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers'rookie minicamp over the weekend, never made it on the field after failing a physical.  McCarty, a La Salle Institute graduate, said an EKG test administered by the Buccaneers on Friday showed he had an irregular heartbeat. ...); (22) McCarty runs with NFL opportunity: Ex-UAlbany back to take part in Tampa Bay's minicamp, McClatchy-Tribune Regional News (USA) - April 29, 2010 (23) McCarty, Richards three-peat All-NEC choices, The Daily Gazette, December 5, 2009; (24) McCarty hobbled for Danes'game: Tailback may be limited vs. Central Connecticut, McClatchy-Tribune Regional News (USA) - October 31, 2009; (25) Injured McCarty might not play: UAlbany tailback may miss battle of unbeatens, McClatchy-Tribune Regional News (USA) - October 28, 2009; (26) McCarty, Danes trample Dolphins, The Daily Gazette, December 7, 2008; (27) McCarty enjoys classic Classic: Career-best 271 rushing yards, 4 TDs pace UAlbany, McClatchy-Tribune Regional News (USA) - December 7, 2008; (28) McCarty leads Danes, The Daily Gazette, November 2, 2008; DANES NOT DOGS IF MCCARTY RUNS, The Times Union, The (Albany, NY) - November 2, 2008; (29) UAlbany runs to win: McCarty rushes for 215 yards vs. Sacred Heart, McClatchy-Tribune Regional News (USA) - October 19, 2008; (30) A CONVERSATION WITH UALBANY FOOTBALL PLAYER DAVID MCCARTY, The Times Union, October 19, 2008; (31) McCarty decides to stay the course, The Daily Gazette, November 6, 2007  (feature story on McCarty); (32) McCarty scores three TDs in rout, The Daily Gazette, November 4, 2007; (33) McCarty seeks action: UAlbany running back has plans to join Army, Knight-Ridder/Tribune Business News - October 13, 2007; (34) MCCARTY KEY FOR LA SALLE, The Times Union, October 23, 2004; (35) MCCARTY TO CARRY WEIGHT FOR LA SALLE, The Times Union, Sepember 3, 2004; (36) McCarty's record day sparks Cadets, The Daily Gazette (Schenectady, NY) - October 11, 2003. Cbl62 (talk) 17:28, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: a stat line mentioned in an article is technically still trivial coverage. Indeed, most of the articles are not about him, per se, but about the games themselves, with a one or two sentence reference to his achievement (and indeed those of the other players) as details of the team's play. Also, most of the articles are local coverage in the Albany/Schenectady/Troy area (or the newspaper in the area which Albany is playing that weekend); while legitimate sources, looking at WP:ATHLETE, one would expect truly notable players to have references outside of their area (per bullet point 3) and, as the heading indicates, "non-trivial media coverage beyond merely a repeating of their statistics." Similarly, injury updates etc., provide content for the article once notability is established, but don't establish notability themselves. -- Kinu t /c  18:00, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Response. That's not really accurate.  My searches of various newspaper databases turned up over 75 articles in which McCarty was mentioned in the headline of the story.  These are not mere stat line entries; they are articles in which McCarty is a principal focus.  (Articles with mere references to game results and statistics for McCarty number in the high hundreds.)  There are also numerous feature stories on McCarty as the sole focus of the article.  See, e.g. Nos. 2, 3, 4, 8, 10, 12, 13, 30, 31, 33.  Remember WP:ATH does not set minimum standards; it identifies characteristics that clearly warrant inclusion.  Others with significant, non-trivial coverage still qualify under WP:GNG.  I'm not an Albany fan, and I don't advocate "keep" in the case of college football players without truly significant accomplishments, but McCarty is clearly worth saving. Please reconsider your "delete" vote in light of this additional information. Cbl62 (talk) 18:35, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep per Cbl62's research, which I believe is non-trivial coverage. Even if a story is on a game, significant coverage of a single player I believe is non-trivial. Strikehold (talk) 03:20, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment The relevant guideline of WP:ATHLETE that applies here is "Gained national media attention as an individual, not just as a player for a notable team." All of the coverage that has been discovered about McCarty is from local New York Capital Region papers.  The kind of coverage that might be expected of a hometown sports hero.  But there doesn't seem to be any coverage from beyond this region.  Also, the fact that Albany is a Division I school is due merely to their size (their Wikipedia article claims over 18,000 students).  However, they are not Division I-A (i.e. the division that competes at the national championship level).  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You are mis-applying WP:ATH. It sets inclusionary standards, not exclusionary standards.  The argument you are making is precisely the argument I was concerned people would make when WP:ATH was up for consideration as a guideline.  I was assured that such an interpretation would not be accepted.  Regardless of meeting or not meeting WP:ATH, a college athlete who has received significant, non-trivial coverage in mainstream media sources qualifies under WP:GNG.  WP:ATH does not in any way trump or supersede WP:GNG.  A Chicago alderman or state legislator or businessman can qualify under WP:GNG if he/she has received extensive coverage in Chicago area newspapers.  There is no requirement that said alderman or state legislator be the subject of "national" news coverage under WP:GNG.  We can't and shouldn't enforce subjective value judgments that athletes are less worthy than politicians or businessmen.  The GNG requirement is and should be no more onerous for athletes.  Finally, the articles cited include several articles from the Associated Press and McClatchy news services.  And in any event, the Times Union (Albany) and The Daily Gazette are major metropolitan newspapers, not small town papers.  They serve the Albany-Schenectady CSA with a population of 1,118,095 as of 2000, making it the 38th largest CSA in the US with a population larger than 60 entire countries, including Iceland, Bahrain, the Bahamas, Samoa, Cyprus and Guyana. Cbl62 (talk) 15:52, 29 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Withdrawn Cbl62 makes a good point; I was mistaken in applying WP:ATHLETE over the more broad WP:GNG. The article, as currently rewritten, has properly focused on McCarty's college career, with the fact of the Bucaneers' mini-camp being relegated to something of a footnote.  WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
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