Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David McIlroy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Seraphimblade Talk to me 08:51, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

David McIlroy

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. No significant coverage to meet WP:BIO. The supplied sources include a primary source and small routine mentions. LibStar (talk) 02:30, 10 March 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 07:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 02:33, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 02:34, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
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 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bilateral relations-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:31, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep, as sources are available. The comment "Ambassadors are not inherently notable" is too sweeping, there are some postings which are sure to lead to notability, although Guinea is not one of them. Moonraker (talk) 01:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:MUSTBESOURCES. LibStar (talk) 01:33, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment Another two ambassadors article I started, Carole Crofts and James Lyall Sharp, were deleted for the same vague reason. Moondragon21 (talk) 18:04, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:50, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete Agree with nominator, found no additional coverage to pass WP:GNG and have sent his predecessor, Catherine Inglehearn to AfD for precisely the same reason. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:53, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable under WP:ANYBIO #3 for entry in Who's Who (UK). NB, I have also started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion to clarify whether my interpretation here is correct. --Mgp28 (talk) 13:08, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Who's Who is apparently not a national biographical dictionary so I withdraw that !vote --Mgp28 (talk) 17:40, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Final relist Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:41, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Notable diplomat. Additional sources include The Belfast Telegraph NI diplomat David McIlroy tells of shielding from gunfire and explosions during Guinea coup and The Irish News Co Derry-born ambassador tells of violence in Guinea as military coup took place Piecesofuk (talk) 14:54, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep. I see a consensus that Who's Who isn't good for verifiability, but is good for notability, therefore helping with a WP:BASIC pass. CT55555 (talk) 03:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Quite the opposite - Who's Who is no good for notability, it's not a national biographic dictionary. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:58, 1 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete fails GNG and BIO.
 * Source eval table:
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! Comments !! Reference
 * || From article
 * Who's Who entry, not IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth || 1. "McIlroy, David Thomas, (born 3 March 1968), HM Diplomatic Service; Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office, since 2022" in Who's Who, online edition, 01 December 2022, accessed 10 March 2023 (subscription required)
 * Government announcement, Not IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and in depth || 2. ^ Jump up to:a b "Change of Her Majesty's Ambassador to Guinea in June 2019". GOV.UK. Retrieved 13 November 2020.
 * Failed V || 3. ^ "Meet the British Ambassadors – Francophone Africa". Invest Africa. Retrieved 13 November 2020.
 * Government announcement, Not IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and in depth || 4. ^ "Foreign Secretary Confirms Appointment of New Ambassador to the Republic of Guinea – UKPOL.ORG.UK". Retrieved 13 November 2020.
 * Government announcement, Not IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and in depth || 5. ^ "Change of Her Majesty's Ambassador to Guinea in June 2019 – Africa Arbitration". Retrieved 13 November 2020.
 * || From above
 * Interview as the source title clearly states, interviews do not show notability || The Belfast Telegraph NI diplomat David McIlroy tells of
 * Interview as the source title clearly states, interviews do not show notability || The Irish News Co Derry-born ambassador tells of
 * }
 * BEFORE showed nothing that meets IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.
 * BLPs need clearly IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability to avoid abuse per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV). — Preceding unsigned comment added by TimothyBlue (talk • contribs)
 * || From above
 * Interview as the source title clearly states, interviews do not show notability || The Belfast Telegraph NI diplomat David McIlroy tells of
 * Interview as the source title clearly states, interviews do not show notability || The Irish News Co Derry-born ambassador tells of
 * }
 * BEFORE showed nothing that meets IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.
 * BLPs need clearly IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability to avoid abuse per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV). — Preceding unsigned comment added by TimothyBlue (talk • contribs)
 * }
 * BEFORE showed nothing that meets IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.
 * BLPs need clearly IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability to avoid abuse per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV). — Preceding unsigned comment added by TimothyBlue (talk • contribs)


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