Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Meltzer (writer) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  Sandstein  15:29, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

David Meltzer (writer)
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Articles for deletion/David Meltzer (writer) ended with no consensus because two votes dismissed it given the sockpuppet account behind the nomination, but without much else for arguments. The point was raised about being an award recipient but with a counterargument that neither award are themself significant enough to count toward an ANYBIO pass. Tagging Kevin Winzer, BilletsMauves, and Extraordinary Writ, my fellow non-sock participants in the prior AfD. My argument remains the same (only one source for SIGCOV) though with the added note that the article is also an ORPHAN, and I'm also changing my vote to redirect to Dave Meltzer (the sports journalist, which is a type of writing); my initial participation in the first AfD was based on assuming it was about him anyway. QuietHere (talk) 11:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Television. QuietHere (talk) 11:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Worth noting that David Meltzer (poet) may also be a good redirect target, though with the note that I haven't reviewed the page any further than the not-so-promising Template:RefImprove tag at the top. QuietHere (talk) 11:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Correction to an above statement: Only one of the two keep votes mentioned the sockpuppet issue. Both of them called the nomination bad faith but not for the same reason (the other was the ANYBIO argument based on the awards). QuietHere (talk) 13:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:03, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete for the same reason as in the first AfD: I don't think either of the listed awards are "well-known and significant" for purposes of WP:ANYBIO: the Ellis Island Medal of Honor has thousands of recipients, and the Variety "Sports Humanitarian of the Year" does not appear to be a noteworthy honor. The Forbes article linked above is unreliable per WP:FORBESCON. The remaining sources cited in the article all appear to be unreliable/non-independent or only passing mentions, and my search for GNG-qualifying coverage didn't turn up anything that is independent (not, e.g., an interview or press release), is reliable, and discusses Meltzer in detail. Not notable, as far as I can tell. I'm not averse to a redirect, but since there's both a poet and a journalist (either of whom could be described as a writer but neither of whom commonly is described as a writer) in addition to the subject of this AfD, I think it'd cause more trouble than it's worth. If we do decide to redirect, it should probably be to the David Meltzer disambiguation page. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 21:07, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Didn't think of the dab page, that's honestly a great point and an even better target which I'm in support of. QuietHere (talk) 21:13, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith (talk) 01:46, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete b/c there's no evidence of notability. And with regards to the awards, they are both not overly notable and unrelated to the subject's writing and producing of TV shows. Since the subject's claim to fame is with regards to writing and producing TV shows, In my opinion these awards don't qualify under Notability (people) b/c they are unrelated to that.--SouthernNights (talk) 12:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename it to David Meltzer (executive). He is not a full-time writer/producer rather is known for his contributions in sports industry, founding Sports1 with Warren Moon and a major contributor to the development PC-EPhone, a notable device which was a forerunner to smartphone (founded a NYT article). So, a coverage related to his work as a CEO of major companies must exist in the newspapers' archives - one have to lookup. Combined notability passes WP:GNG imo. 142.126.241.149 (talk) 20:52, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 * His name is only mentioned twice in passing at the end of that article and it isn't talking about him as a person. Even if the phone is notable, that doesn't mean he is. See WP:INHERIT for that. Same goes for the company. I would support the rename if there was a GNG pass, but you haven't actually provided the coverage needed to earn that pass and you can't just proclaim that cover "must exist" without actually searching for and linking to it. That's not a safe assumption. QuietHere (talk) 23:22, 1 October 2022 (UTC)


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