Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Niven Jr.


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. The few !votes for delete are WP:DIDNOTWIN or WP:JUSTNOTNOTABLE; while the keep !votes demonstrate GNG and a bit of WP:HEY. (non-admin closure) RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:58, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

David Niven Jr.

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There is no claim for significance apart from that he is the son of actor David Niven and his Primetime Emmy Award nomination in 1985. There are a few passing mentions in the articles cited in the article, which are possibly not enough to pass Wikipedia's notability threshold. Pahiy (talk) 19:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Pahiy (talk) 19:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Pahiy (talk) 19:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep as meets WP:GNG and WP:FILMMAKER: "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work." While notability is not inherited, an Emmy nom is not small stuff. He was also a panelist on a game show--that's of some note. His having produced The Eagle Has Landed, Escape to Athena, and That's Dancing adds notability too. I'm seeing enough coverage in Proquest and in Newspapers.com to make a decent article. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 00:22, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. He didn't win an Emmy and the 1990 reboot of To Tell the Truth lasted only nine months. It's not a good sign when the only media coverage is about the sale of his house. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:57, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * As I had previously stated with my vote, there is more coverage than that. There is coverage of his career in publciations like Variety. Not all articles on 1970s-1990s figures are available on the open internet. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 14:19, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * In my experience, pre '70s Variety articles are available online. So where is this coverage? Clarityfiend (talk) 23:15, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Proquest Entertainment Industry Magazine Archive. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 02:42, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete a non-notable filmmaker and actor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:34, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment It may be a days or two before I have an hour to dig into archives and makeover the article. It would be prudent for potential voters to watch the page and wait to vote until I do so. Unless someone else beats me to the research, that is. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 02:48, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep is definately notable. Have added more stuff. Is more than Niven snr son. Was an exec at Paramount and Columbia, and been in quite a few films and produced them too, married to Barbara Niven.User:Davidstewartharvey
 * None of the sources currently in the article are of much worth. They're passing mentions, IMDb, announcements (e.g. house sale, wedding). Also, lots of movie execs aren't notable. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Really? None of them are of much worth? Were you able to view "Pictures: David Niven Jr. Turns Par Indie" that I added? I wouldn't call it a passing mention. "Lots of movie execs aren't notable" is a poor argument. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 00:40, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * So your pointing out that he was "an exec at Paramount and Columbia" was what? As for the photos, so he hobnobs with famous people. You can't WP:INHERIT notability. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:06, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep Has a body of work in film, as a producer, which meets wp:filmmaker. Also nominated for emmy for film which he co-wrote and produced, which although not numerous times as it says in notability rules, but along with the body of work proves notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.159.239.150 (talk) 09:51, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. He is given non-trivial referencing in quite a few books: 1. He is catalogued in the British Film Institute (and quite a few of his films have WP articles). The article is well referenced, with non-trivial coverage. He does not have a major SIGCOV piece (at least not one I could find via google), however, per WP:BASIC: If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. I can't see the value in deleting this BLP. Britishfinance (talk) 23:34, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


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