Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David O'Connor (footballer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete per the WP:ATHLETE failure (Shamrock Rovers' own website confirms that the league in question is not fully professional). пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  14:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

David O'Connor (footballer)
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Footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE and no sources provided to pass WP:N. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 06:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete League of Ireland is not fully professional, so does not meet WP:ATHLETE criteria. Dancarney (talk) 10:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:11, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:11, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 17:08, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom; non-notable player who WP:ATHLETE. GiantSnowman 17:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep he has played at the top level of Irish football, which is notable. Eldumpo (talk) 07:00, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete fails the criteria set for sportsmen at WP:ATHLETE, as he has not played at a fully-professional level of football. --Jimbo[online] 07:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - He plays for a professional club at the top tier in the national level - which more than meets the requirements of WP:FOOTYN. We previously reached consensus at WP:FOOTY (archived in WT:WikiProject Football/Archive 24) that such players should be retained. Nfitz (talk) 19:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:FOOTYN is just an essay, the criteria for sportspeople is at WP:ATHLETE. --Jimbo[online] 20:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It does however reflect consensus in the project - as evidenced by the later discussion. Nfitz (talk) 21:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yet it hasn't been accepted 10 months later, which questions the validity of that discussion in which only a handful of members were involved. --Jimbo[online] 21:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Umm ... sure it has. Besides, the media are reporting that LOI is fully professional.  BBC last month reported that LOI "over the past several years transformed itself from a semi-professional league to a fully professional one.". Therefore it mees the criteria at WP:ATHLETE Nfitz (talk) 23:34, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:ATHLETE, just associating with noteworthy people does not create the need for an article. Sports columns, with all their blatant hype and POV are not signs of objective noteworthiness--AssegaiAli (talk) 09:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Cs-wolves  (talk)  05:39, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment, Basically this article stands or falls on the argument that the FAI Premier Division is or isnt a professional league. In my opinion it is a professional league and sources back that claim up. The Irish Independent (the paper with the largestcirculation in Ireland) recently outlined that in the current finiancial crisis that some clubs may go bust or go semi pro - in other words they are pro now (just) "league is professional" or this source from EuropeanLeagues.com which states that "The eircom League of Ireland is the professional football league of Ireland". They are all good and well but a source from the BBC is more direct and states a league that over the past several years transformed itself from a semi-professional league to a fully professional one.. That source pretty much puts an end to the discussion. Also of interest here is this AfD where a FAI Premier Divison player passed the AfD on the basis that the league is professional.--Vintagekits (talk) 09:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Plays at the highest level in Irish soccer in a professional league. BigDunc  Talk 12:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete no evidence LoI is a fully professional league (actually all I've seen is mere evidence of the contrary). The fact it is the highest football level in a country is irrelevant, even Campionato Sammarinese di Calcio is a top flight but I doubt their players are actually notable because of that (they're all fully amateur, some of the teams, such as A.C. Juvenes/Dogana for instance, used to play in the Italian Promozione level until a few years ago!). --Angelo (talk) 22:29, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment How can you argue that there is no evidence, when both BBC News and The Irish Independent say it is, with the references just above. Surely you should be trying to explain how they are wrong; not just ignoring two very significant sources. Nfitz (talk) 04:08, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues, for instance, where you can find actual evidence some of the league teams are not fully professional (and you should be aware about that discussion, since it seems you've participated in it). --Angelo (talk) 07:09, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nfitz, dont try and impinge on the ownership of football articles by "senior members" of the FOOTY project. The FAI Premier League isnt professional until they say it is - it doesnt matter what the sources state - until they say its a professional league then it aint - got it! --Vintagekits (talk) 08:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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