Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Pakman (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Nobody other than the nominator has opined for deletion, and the discussion has provided no consensus for a particular action to be carried out. Discussion about a potential merge can continue on an article talk page if desired. North America1000 01:53, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

David Pakman
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Certainly time for another AfD since that was hardly a consensus in 2007 and Wikipedia has enormously changed since then, my own searches have found only a few links at News and then one at Highbeam, nothing at all and the current article, I should note, has basically nearly all links to either YouTube or his own website. Only one is independent and it never actually loads apparently thus nothing is solidly convincing of acceptable notability here. This article also seems quite troubled and controversy-oriented as the history shows years and years of vandalism so this is certainly something that is questionable not only to notability but overall; existing since December 2005 when an IP started it and the first few changes were actually both IPs and a "Dpackman" user and I should also note that, with this, there has never been any noticeably consistently beneficial changes to this article to suggest outstanding. SwisterTwister  talk  07:11, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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Merge/redirect to The David Pakman Show Certainly this article and the one on The David Pakman Show are over-sourced, over-hyped, blatant WP:PROMO for a self-promoting self-promoter, he may nevertheless might marginally pass WP:CREATIVE because the show is boradcast and does once in a while generate major coverage. I can, however, find little in the way of profile/bio that marks him as independently notable (added a profile article from something called businesswest.com to the article)  I think he could be most reasonable merged into his show, since both subjects are marginally notable, at best. Pakman mostly turns up in searches when he scores an unusual interview that goes viral, and even then usually on places like a HuffPost blog. Indeed, his notability largely consists of aiming to go viral on YouTube. and occasionally suceeding. But this gdoes not generate significant coverage in mainstream media. Note also that the more notable David Pakman is a venture capitalist who founded a online music companies emusic and myplay and has been covered quite a lot  as a  partner in the venture capital firm Venrock. The investor David Pakman could support an article and would probably be the primary if this article is kept.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - Passes WP:JOURNALIST via "widely cited by peers or successors". Even a cursory Google hit returns a whole lot of coverage of his work (not just his show, but also his writing e.g. at the Huffington Post). &mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  \\ 05:07, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep - Definitively notable, countless proper media appearances. Bigger radio syndication than countless other radio hosts whose pages exist on Wikipedia. Far more television appearances than political commentators and analysts whose pages exist on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:182:C801:5F5:8C10:18A0:D5C4:136 (talk) 22:37, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The fact that WP:OTHERSTUFF exists shouldn't be used as an argument to justify the existence of this article. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 23:10, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 13:15, 7 June 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:49, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep The article seems to have a fair number of sources, so it passes WP:GNG by me. This guy does appear to be referenced a lot. Antrocent (&#9835;&#9836;) 03:08, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Merge/redirect to The David Pakman Show. We'd have to demonstrate that David Pakman has notability independent from the The David Pakman Show. Many of the sources on this page are from WP:SPS, and coverage from 3rd parties is related to commentary or interviews with subjects notable for single events.  AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 23:28, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


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