Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Parry (poet)


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 02:35, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

David Parry (poet)

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Puff piece. Used to be worse. I challenge you to find enough reliable sources that actually discuss this person--and not sources like this, not Amazon links, not links to wordpress blogs, not links to the minor theater companies for which he may have directed a play or two. Or sources that discuss his notability as a supposed priest or practicing pagan. There was a previous AfD, from another era, which might as well have closed delete and included comments by the subject. Drmies (talk) 13:38, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: previous AfD is here, Articles for deletion/David William Parry. A quick glance at the history suggests that the subject may have edited this themselves. Drmies (talk) 13:39, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. While I am, all things being equal, an inclusionist, and while one of the reasons is that I am painfully aware of how more or less unexamined biases limit Wikipedia's coverage and undercut its mission of being useful to all readers, what I find after looking for sources myself and looking at archived versions of those mentioned at the first AfD is that he has been mentioned briefly; for example this article in The Guardian is about someone his group invited to give a poetry recital in the UK; it only briefly mentions Parry. Many of the mentions are in connection with the accusations of far right political activity. Of these the most neutral that I can find is this report in The Wild Hunt, a pagan newsletter/blog. The most extensive is archived here; that's the longer of two Searchlight mentions that were adduced in the first AfD by an IP signing as David Parry himself as being evidence of notability. It's most of a paragraph, and it might confer notability if we did notability by association, and if Freya Aswynn's article hadn't been redirected in 2010 (last pre-redirect version). I'm puzzled by the statements made by some participants at the first AfD that there is sufficient third-party coverage of Parry to cross the notability threshhold. I'm not seeing it; after searching under all the various religions he has claimed (I left a note on the talk page because the article is very unclear, calling him a Wiccan and then without explanation a gothi, and according to his Facebook page and the IP's edits, he prefers to be called a Quaker-Wiccan, but I also see blurbs for recent recorded talks describing him as having recently become a Gnostic bishop), nothing led me to extensive independent coverage. Moreover, the thrust of the brief independent mentions gives me qualms on BLP grounds. I am tempted to stick the AfD notification template on the pages of all the participants in that first AfD, including the IP, because it would be sad to lose another article on a prominent pagan, but I am scratching my head here. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:08, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete a non-notable poet.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:45, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * No reason for deletion.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:08, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, that is the most common reason for deletion. Drmies (talk) 16:17, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * COmment I voted keep before based on several independent references. So I suppose I had better find them again and list them this time.  There are a couple about plays he produced:   a mention in a conference he organised, and another interview .  Most of the rest have now become deadlinks.  And the other references are insubstantial or related to the subject, or unreliable. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:55, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - per sources presented by Graeme Bartlett. Also dead links can be fixed and saved. WP:GNG. Nothing have really changed from the last AfD that was done a little more than a year ago and resulted in a No consensus decision. BabbaQ (talk) 11:11, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * , I appreciate you revisiting the discussion--thanks. I looked at your links and would love to change my vote based on them, but I can't., please bear with me for a moment. Digital Journal is, apparently, a site/blog that "blends professional contributions with user-submitted content". All three articles are written by the same person, two use the same photo, two claim that the subject "took time out of their busy schedule" to talk to them, etc. That the play Citizens Of Hell was in any way noteworthy is not yet established, of course--and the other note was on the "First International Conference on the Nephilim", also questionable. As for Day.az (the "official" name of Today.Az), I don't have that much faith in a news portal; it isn't much written about in the press (or at all), which one would expect if it's a reliable source that's been around since 2003, nor is there anything I can find on that website that indicates editorial board, oversight, etc. So while I don't really doubt the information in that article (thin as it is--just an interview), I do not think it adds much to notability. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:17, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Dear all, please note the following pages – 40, 71, 73 – in this source: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B04VScpJhcQMVVQ2c1ppS3NWRmc/view?usp=gmail — Preceding unsigned comment added by Posen607 (talk • contribs) 23:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cavarrone 09:50, 31 October 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Tough call - poets are often hard to find good quality reliable sources showing notability. But given the poor quality sources, I think that this poet is probably non-notable even amongst the poetry field.  The above link by anon seems to just be publicity material, which therefore isn't considered independent. So unless someone finds better sources, I'm going with delete on this. JMWt (talk) 11:52, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Dear all, please note the following page (bottom left) from the Church Times https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&ik=9cb166b72c&view=att&th=1582b3654e03f8db&attid=0.1&disp=inline&safe=1&zw
 * Dear all, please also note the following page from Weekly Russian Newspaper: http://angliya.com/2016/11/02/a-vy-budete-pytat-cincinnata/ The page is in Russian, but you may translate it to English with Google Translate. Many thanks
 * Dear all, I am also providing another link to a newspaper (UK Pluse) which includes an interview with David Parry: http://pulse-uk.org.uk/weekend/tsintsinnat-vozvrashhaetsya/ Similar to the last link, the page is in Russian. However, Google Translate does the job quite well. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Posen607 (talk • contribs) 11:27, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 01:22, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Dear all, please note this new link (http://centralasiamonitor.com/eurasia-appoints-david-w-parry-as-chief-editor/) and the ones above. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Posen607 (talk • contribs) 10:10, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete for insufficient independent sources. I also disagree that it's difficult to find sources on poets--but even if it were true, that wouldn't be an argument for inclusion. If we don't have enough reliable sources to write a full, balanced entry, then we really shouldn't have an entry. I'd much rather something be missing from the encyclopedia than present and misleading readers about whether we can speak reliably to the topic at hand. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:33, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Dear all, please have a look at the following pages as well. It seems that no one is paying close attention to the links provided here and on the main page. http://www.ayoungertheatre.com/review-cincinnatus-the-barons-court-theatre/


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