Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Pearce

David Pearce was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was to keep the article.

I know that this article has been listed on VFD twice already, but you guys need to understand what is going on with this article:

This article is obvious googlebombing with the links, each "article" is really a link to one of the many thousands of domains this guy owns. These links are also found in many other related articles. Im sure David Pierce or an associate himself has been adding most of these links.

This guy owns these domain names: http://www.hedweb.com/paradise.html

By owning such a gigantic amount of cross linking domain names, his websites dominate many drug searches on google. David Pearce thus then might be notable enough for these facts, but these facts were removed from the article.

edit by the guy who put this on vfd:

Don't believe this guy is notable because of articles or interviews mentioned here, notice that most of those are hosted on his own websites so they are questionable. He might very well be notable for the gigantic amount of domain names he owns, all with some form of original content on them, which tend to dominate many search results, especially for obscure drugs. The problem is however, it is very likely him or a friend who created this article, or added the links to it, so its always a very potentially dangerous article.
 * (Above unsigned entry is from User:67.180.61.179).
 * Comment: Previous VfD discussions can be found at Talk:David Pearce/deletion (nominated 26 May 2004 - survived on a split vote) and Talk:David Pearce/Delete2 (nominated 10 June 2004 - discussion terminated when it was pointed out that this was a renomination of a very recent discussion).  Rossami (talk)
 * David Pearce is a British visionary...bwhuaahaa...oh vanity alright. Delete. Wyllium 19:58, 2004 Nov 13 (UTC)
 * Delete or edit down to stubbitude. --jpgordon{gab} 19:11, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * As it is, it's nothing but a link farm. Delete. DS 19:30, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. silsor 19:41, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Promotional. Slightly off-topic, but people might want to take a look at Talk:American World University. I'm suggesting that whenever someone has qualms about the promotional effect of a link but wish to preserve it as a service to readers, that it be replaced with a substitute from tinyurl or similar services. To my surprise, this is a controversial suggestion, but I'd like to explore it further or see whether others have better ideas. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 19:57, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: Hooooooo boy those are some links! Putting nowiki in front of all of them works well, and while the article is on VfD, we're supposed to do that anyway.  I'd almost have seen this speedied for patent nonsense.  He wants to "abolish the chemical substrates of suffering?"  What?  I suffer, but I'm not sure it's on a chemical substratum level.  Geogre 20:08, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * "the abolition of the chemical substrates of suffering in all sentient life.". Um, okay.  Even if we got rid of the excessive links, this language itself makes it delete-worthy.  Delete.  RickK 20:58, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. --DMG413 22:22, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete Jayjg 12:04, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Vanity, Promo --Improv 15:38, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete: vanity, promo. Wile E. Heresiarch 04:50, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Since Pearce is obviously a notable figure, the most sensible thing to do would be to shorten the bibliography section and delete all its links, which I have done. Loremaster 20:09, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * What is your evidence supporting the judgement "obviously a notable figure"? I'll admit that I don't see it and consider this currently a delete candidate.  Rossami (talk) 06:02, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * As a leading figure in a movement that is getting increasing media, academic and political attention, Pearce should have an article. And, since the controversial content has been edited out of the article, this dispute is now moot. Loremaster 16:59, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if I would call Pearce a "obviously notable figure", but his major work, The Hedonistic Imperative, is well-known within transhumanist communities. -- Schaefer 20:49, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Yes, this was quite likely created as a vanity page, but if the links can be kept off, it shouldn't be a problem. I'll admit that his only well-known writing is The Hedonistic Imperative, so while there's no profound need for a page just about him, the page has been edited to the point where it's no longer just blatant self-promotion. -- Schaefer 20:36, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. If this was created as a vanity page, it was not done by David Pearce or his associates - I know this fact personally. Some people are quick to play down the notability of others for obvious reasons. Given that there is no such thing as an unbiased attribution of value or notability - we should instead thank this fellow for his pioneering and visionary work. Ask yourselves if the abolition of suffering is more important than one's contribution to an impossibly "unbiased" collection, life is short.Sean Henderson 22:20, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Note that Sean Henderson is the name of one of David Pearce's associates (as mentioned in the article)67.180.61.179 02:01, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Keep. While I find a great deal to dispute with the man and most of the Transhumanist movement I think at least from with in the movement his works are discussed and he's moderately well known. Notable? I hope not, but I wouldn't make that judgment for anyone else. —Florescentbulb 02:56, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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