Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Rice (author)


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The result was delete. No reliable sources have been provided to prove claims of notability, so there's really not much choice. No prejudice against recreation, as long as reliable sources are included. ansh 666 05:55, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

David Rice (author)

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Poorly sourced BLP of a non-notable author, sourced mostly to blogs and to reviews of a documentary in which he appears. Lacks significant coverage in third-party RS, does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NAUTHOR Fyddlestix (talk) 04:13, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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 * delete I cannot find online independent material to support this. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:56, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The author is notable, he appears in numerous movies as well as documentaries. A Google of his name or of his alias Desertphile turns up 55,000 hits, for his novels and his movies as well as newspaper interviews. Since "The Lure" documentary covering the Forrest Fenn treasure is being released in spots around the world, and since he is the iconic photograph used in the movie, it seems he's certainly a notable character for BLP. Damotclese (talk) 15:50, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep David Rice is well known around the world, you can Google his name and get pieces of the history of what he has done in the writing world and in the movie / documentary world, he's not notorious but he is a notable figure, on line as well as off line.
 * Just last week he was in Santa Fe, New Mexico signing autographs with other authors, there are photographs of him meeting with fans and other well known authors while wearing the same jacket and working-cowboy hat that he appears in on numerous newspaper interviews and in the latest movie "The Lure" which was shown in New Mexico.
 * Most people who work or recreate in the deserts of the Western United States have heard of him, he's considered to be a "new Edward Abbey" by writing critics. Most people who don't "do" the desert or do treasure hunts will not have heard of him, but he's a real person, he has real fame, he has real fans that, according to local reporters last week, bought him drinks and dinner, one bar tender saying he's "too pretty" to buy his own drinks.
 * Keep, however it should be noted that the biography is a stub.
 * Full disclosure: I know his brother in my work in infectious diseases, many of which are zoonotic and many of which are emergent due to changing environments and thus changing ecologies. Both brothers are people of note in certain circles, science circles as well as human rights and civil rights arenas, not to mention environmental arenas as well as novelists and, in David's case, in the movie theaters. BiologistBabe (talk) 21:39, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * In reply to this comment and the one above: it's not enough to insist that he's notable, you need to provide evidence of that in the form of reliable sources which are independent of the subject and offer significant coverage of him. Fyddlestix (talk) 21:52, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The article's references and citations appear to be enough to establish the author's notoriety. His novels are not well known, Milkweed Publishing does not advertise publicly all of the books it publishes, I see, though the author's works are widely available and the BLP touches briefly on some of what one can find using Google. Wikipedia does not need to be all-inclusive, researchers interested in the person's history likely knows some about it, the guy is a character known around the world. Damotclese (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Biologist, I agree that the BLP is something of a stub, if the author had a publicist I would acquire his copy and flesh it out. Thing is, he's a notable character, equal to many other BLPs. Damotclese (talk) 01:04, 10 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep The article has suitable references and citations showing that the biography is accurate and yes, the references show that he's notable. 76.171.220.37 (talk) 00:24, 9 November 2017 (UTC) — 76.171.220.37 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Yes, the article contains references and citations showing that the actor is notable. More references could be added, as someone noted the BLP is something of a stub, it could be fleshed out with a list of movies and a list of novels, I suppose. Damotclese (talk) 00:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, lets look at the sources, shall we? There are currently 7 references in the article:
 * this is an excerpt from the subject's own writings that he posted himself on a WP:UGC site. Not independent, not even a RS. Cannot possibly confer notability.
 * This does not appear to be a RS either, it's just a list of BBSes that someone cobbled together from "various" (unamed) sources. It mentions David Rice once, and if we're genereous I suppose it might confirm that he ran one. But that's not a notable accomplishment.
 * This is a video on the subject's own youtube channel. Not indepenndent, probably not even a RS. Can't confer notability.
 * This is a blog. Not a RS, can't demonstrate notability.
 * This is a review of a documentary in which David Rice apparently appears, but it mentions Rice exactly once, in passing: There is one scene where one hunter David describes to Fenn what he would do if he finds the prize and it is rather creepy and a little bit disturbing. That's a passing mention if I ever saw one, they don't even use his full name. Does not demonstrate notability.
 * This is the subject's own website, for marketing his own (self-published) books. Not independent, not a RS. Cannot confer notability.
 * This is another review, of the same documentary mentioned above. David Rice is mentioned once, in a photo caption. Another passing mention which does not demonstrate notability.
 * I'd be happy to look at actual independent RS that actually demonstrate notability - but contrary to the two !votes above it's quite plain that none of the sources currently used in the article meet those criteria. Fyddlestix (talk) 03:38, 9 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete little notability. He does not meet the notablity criteria for any of the any of the descriptions about him (cowboy, writer, actor), and certainly not for author – his books are self-published, and anybody can do that. There's nothing that's independent of the subject himself.  He might be notable one day, but as of now, he's not. Ira Leviton (talk) 19:04, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete articles need to be based on third party sources, not on writings of the article subject.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:40, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. promotional (or at least fan-oriented) article almost unknown and almost-unpublished writer.  No independent substantial sources.  DGG ( talk ) 00:42, 15 November 2017 (UTC)


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