Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Richmond (American football)


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The result was   keep.  Ron h jones (Talk) 01:53, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

David Richmond (American football)

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Collegiate American football player who has not competed at the fully professional level, failing WP:ATHLETE. KuyaBriBri Talk 15:59, 14 December 2009 (UTC)


 * He is one of the most prolific receivers in SJSU history, on the bengals draft page http://www.bengals.com/team/roster/david-richmond/4d566eee-7f16-4c51-83c1-697b181972cd/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kookface (talk • contribs) 14 December 2009
 * Is this a vote? The individual leaving the comment should clarify whether this is intended a vote to Keep or Delete or not a vote at all.Cbl62 (talk) 07:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 22:45, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:ATH as he hasn't played professionally.-- Giants 27  ( Contribs  |  WP:CFL ) 22:47, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Switch to keep per sources found by Cbl62.-- Giants 27  ( Contribs  |  WP:CFL ) 15:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete As his professional career is non-existent, he fails WP:ATH.  Grsz 11  22:53, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - One cannot fail WP:ATH. One can be subject to the exemption for not passing the GNG, but as the Additional criteria says (to which ATH is a part of) "Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included." I.e., you can't "fail" it. And did anyone (especially the nominator as the Guide to deletion instructs) check for sources to see if this person passes WP:BIO in general? A fairly narrow search comes up with 71 news hits, and at least this article (going by the free preview) seems to provide some decent coverage. Changing the search term to eliminate San Jose would likely yield more results from his JC and HS days. Maybe not enough, but if no one searches then it is hard to justify deletion via the deletion policy of either "Articles for which all attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed" or "Articles whose subjects fail to meet the relevant notability guideline". (emphasis mine to underscore that we only delete topics/subjects due to those topics failing the guideline and not articles, just because the articles fail to properly demonstrate their notability). Aboutmovies (talk) 07:47, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Even though he hasn't played in the NFL, a college player article is OK if general notability is established by non-trivial coverage in the mainstream media. (As noted by Aboutmovies, ATH is an inclusionary standard, not an exclusionary guideline.)  Richmond appears to meet the general notability standard.  A google news search for "david richmond" and "san jose" turns up many articles discussing his role as a key player for SJSU.  Granted, many of those are game coverage, but the articles have more than passing reference to Richmond.  In addition, I found the following articles focusing on him as the main subject of the article: (1) "Spartans' Richmond ready to build upon breakthrough: SJSU looks to receiver after breakout game," Knight-Ridder/Tribune Business News, September 29, 2007; (2) "Richmond Catching Up With His Reviews," San Jose Mercury News, September 29, 2007; (3) "SJSU's Richmond a raw find at WR," Times-Herald (Vallejo, CA), September 29, 2007; and (4) "Richmond has breakout game at receiver," Knight-Ridder/Tribune Business News, September 23, 2007.  Further indicia of notability include (a) his 127 receptions rank fourth on the all-time list at San Jose State (a Divisions 1 FBS program), (b) his 1684 receiving yards rank sixth on the all time list at San Jose State, (c) he is one of only two players in school history to post back-to-back 800-yard receiving seasons, and (d) he was also selected as a second-team All-WAC honors.  The evidence is not overwhelming on this one, but it's enough to tip me into a "Keep" vote. Cbl62 (talk) 07:27, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - enough sources above to meet WP:BIO. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:58, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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