Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Straange


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The result was delete.  MBisanz  talk 01:29, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

David Straange

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Non-notable artist. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ARTIST. Was deleted earlier as A7, and the creator blocked. The person returns after the block and recreates it with new references, all of them being non-notable books (Assuming he is indeed discussed in these books - All the references provided are offline). Online searches don't indicate anything to pass WP:GNG - though there seems to exist an unrelated musician by the same name.  Jupitus Smart  03:17, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions.  Jupitus Smart  03:17, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
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*Keep Maggie works at Charlotte Business Journals a notable publisher where I found countless of notable artist from the city or from outside the city. The book written and published every year is credible --Thomasarrango (talk) 23:50, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete references are implausible. If Staange was discussed in Busher (2007) he would have been +/- 15 years old at the time. Mduvekot (talk) 10:52, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep That's your logic? 	--Thomasarrango (talk) 18:03, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete fails WP:GNG, fails WP:BLPNOTE for lack of significant coverage in independent reliable sources. There is no claim made as to notability. I note that Neo-Minimalism Review by Guo Manqing is published by Blurb (a vanity publisher).  The cited book authored by Maggie Hobbs Lynn does not appear to be held in any library, nor by any bookseller (new or used). A "Maggie Hobbs Lynn" does have a facebook page, indicating that she lives in Charlotte, North Carolina and is from Darlington, South Carolina, but there is nothing to indicate that she is an author. No works by Maggie Hobbs Lynn as author were found in any database, including Wilson's Art Index, Gale's Fine Arts and Music Collection, and Gale's Pop Culture Collection.  If the source exists it does not appear to meet the reliability standards. Sean Busher is a Charlotte advertising photographer. There is nothing to indicate that he is a reliable source. Knowing where these "sources" were published would help, as would full citations and isbns. --Bejnar (talk) 20:36, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:RSSELF about reliability measures regarding self-published works. Maggie Hobbs Lynn is not a journalist, she is a graphic designer employed by the Charlotte Business Journal. The Book of Lists is an annual compilation of all the lists that appeared in the weekly print and online editions of the Charlotte Business Journal during the year, as such it is a directory listing.  Maggie Hobbs Lynn did the graphical layout for the 2016 volume.  By the way only a single !vote is permitted per person; second "keep" !vote stricken. --Bejnar (talk) 19:27, 17 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment from Thomasarrango's remark above, and my research, it appears that notability, if any, of David Straange is purely local to Charlotte. --Bejnar (talk) 19:27, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Not going to point fingers in where I got the information from so I stand corrected. That means it rules out that he fails WP:GNG:, also Amy Shapiro must be the correct source if she writes the articles. I've also seen David Straange written in music magazines, notable sites, and BBC music. Solely for the subject of art there's books and articles and by the date he's been active since a kid. So I don't understand the votes --Thomasarrango (talk) 21:53, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No, local noteriety does not indicate that he meets WP:GNG. Also, directory information does not go towards notability. If, in fact, David Straange has significant coverage in music magazines and the BBC, then your job is to find and cite them. See Citing sources, and especially Citing sources.  I have spent a considerable amount of time online searching out info about David Straange. I have not found any significant coverage.  Amy Shapiro oversees research and production of weekly industry lists and the Book of Lists for the Charlotte Business Journal.  "Straange" does not currently appear anywhere on the bizjournals.com website. --Bejnar (talk) 02:11, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I disagree he's definitely written in a bizjournal article, which I have and found out about his art show even if not noted on the site. The music stuff I found includes a write up on verified music site Tiny Mixtapes, Boiler Room. Further digging he used to use an alias "KVZE?" which I found a slew of write ups on sites I follow like Ego Trip Land, which is Jeff Mao's site, Earmilk which is definitely a notable music site, including a write up on AdhocFM So this guy has some serious history to be a artist born in 1992. I don't understand at all I'm guessing David Straange is art STRAANGE and KVZE are music? I can merge them but the amount of history is mindboggling to say the least --Thomasarrango (talk) 17:05, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment A BBC entry that's since been removed for a radio entry under 'KVZE?' --Thomasarrango (talk) 05:31, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you have a citation? (Much of BBC News is archived.) Can you clarify what the reference was? --Bejnar (talk) 18:33, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I searched BBC Music for 'STRAANGE' and 'KVZE' and got an entry for KVZE and now I see the entry has been removed. This was a couple of weeks ago when I found out about the alias for the first time --Thomasarrango (talk) 01:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Comment Since the discussion has veered way off course, let me put it back once again. We are discussing about deleting David Straange, the neo-minimalist painter. The current discussion going on is about whether musicians STRAANGE/KVZE pass WP:GNG (which they probably don't though that is immaterial). Just because David Straange and musician Straange share a 'strange' surname does not imply they are the same person. And I have no idea why we are even discussing KVZE, when there is nothing to link him to either of the 'STRAANGE' people. So I would request the author to not waste everybody's time by taking the discussion off course unless there are references from reliable sources to indicate the connection.  Jupitus Smart  03:52, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment Why are you so unprofessional to make such personal attacks to imply I'm wasting everyone's time. That's what we're discussing and been discussing with or without you. --Thomasarrango (talk) 15:38, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Requesting editors to stay on point is not usually regarded as a "personal attack", rather it is an effort at civility when off-point discussions threaten to become frustrating, and it is entirely consistent with Articles for deletion. Also,, please see the essay at But there must be sources!. --Bejnar (talk) 20:16, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

When did you guys get so biased on here it's disappointing. I provided sources that are credible and does meet WP:GNG. Whether you are neutral enough to see it, that is the problem. It's relevant because infact if they are the same person the page should be edited and kept under one umbrella. --Thomasarrango (talk) 00:01, 23 June 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Please remember to confine votes and comments to the issue at hand. Be concise. Cite guidelines/policy when possible. Avoid personalizing comments. And be brief. Above all else, be brief!
 * Comment It does not appear that the artist and the musician are the same person. The artist/painter lives in North Carolina, the musician/producer appears to live in Virginia.  Neither one is notable under either WP:GNG or WP:BLPNOTE.   --Bejnar (talk) 20:26, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 02:53, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Not assuming good faith for these offline sources -- inclined to believe that they don't exist. More importantly, perhaps Straange himself is a hoax. Alarm bells should sound when you can't find anything close to an RS about him online (in this day and age)! Even if he does exist, he does not appear to meet WP:MUSICIAN or even GNG... This is all very straange. Kingoflettuce (talk) 06:02, 23 June 2017 (UTC)


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