Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Toledo (artist)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Clear consensus to delete, as none of the "keep" !votes actually providing RS information --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 14:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

David Toledo (artist)

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promotional autobio with no real claim to notability, lacks coverage in independent reliable sources (none of the possibly independent reliable sources verify claims made, multiple sources are just links to pages that do not verify claims, all others are not independent or are not reliable). original research. unsourced blp. prod removed by SPA, saying "Removal of spam from previous contributor". multiple SPAs suggest something else. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:07, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete There were 15 "references" in place when I looked at the article. One was a dead link. Thirteen were links to pages which did not mention the statements to which the "references" were attached: they were not, in fact, references, but simply external links to pages about or YouTube videos of people or things mentioned in the article. In addition almost none of those thirteen "references" mentioned David Toledo, and most were not reliable sources. Removal of these fourteen non-references leaves precisely one reference, namely this, which simply tells us that Toledo was the artist for a 1994 comic. That is the only fact in the whole article for which we have a source of any sort. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:02, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete More or less per sterling work by JamesBWatson evaluating the references in the article. I've re-evaluated and am coming to the same conclusion. Simply having a ton of content in an article doesn't mean that the content should be an article :). ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  18:35, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * KEEP David Toledo is well known to the artist community in Seattle and Los Angeles. Simple google searches will reveal a number of projects that David Toledo has been involved in for the past 20 years including youth outreach, music, hip hop, traditional and contemporary mediums, cartooning, and video production.  Simple detective work reveals a wealth of information on the subject. User:JoshYslas   —Preceding undated comment added 21:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC).
 * — Joshyslas (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. 7 edits in total.


 * KEEP David Toledo Artist There were 15 "references" in place prior to Duffbeerforme's page alteration. Only one of which was a dead link. Thirteen were links to pages which are easily contacted for "references" or that contained the visible work: containing very useful links to pages about or YouTube videos of people or things mentioned in the article. In addition most of those thirteen "references" mentioned David Toledo, and most were reliable sources. Removal of these fourteen non-references leaves precisely one reference was premature, as most contain all information necessary to verfiy authenticity. One example site is this, which clearly tells us that Toledo was the artist for a 1994 comic. We are thankful for this page and the information provided on the Artist David Toledo.
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by Docoofthemix (talk • contribs)
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 * KEEP More or less per sterling work evaluating the references in the article. It is easy to conclude that the David Toledo Artist article has more than enough verifiable sources to be kept in the Wiki system. The overwhelming amout of content solidifies the articles place in the Wiki universe. Docoofthemix  bomb  18:35, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * User has already !voted earlier.  Ty  11:44, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Your sig looks terribly familiar ;). That Toledo worked on a comic doesn't establish notability. Links to his work doesn't establish notability either, nor does "overwhelming amount of content" in the article. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  19:37, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * KEEP David Toledo is well known to the artist community in Seattle and Los Angeles. Simple google searches will reveal a number of projects that David Toledo has been involved in for the past 20 years including youth outreach, music, hip hop, traditional and contemporary mediums, cartooning, and video production.  Simple detective work reveals a wealth of information on the subject. User:JoshYslas   —Preceding undated comment added 21:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC).
 * User has already !voted earlier.  Ty  11:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep David Toledo recently completed the 2010 MAC Fashion House Youth Expose as Director (Jan 2010) and is currently listed as video editor for the 206 Zulu Mighty Four (Feb 2010). Active artist, not hard to find current and past projects. Time better used focusing on easily identifiable fraud than on something so easily verified. --Joshyslas (talk) 21:10, 1 March 2010 (UTC)User:JoshYslas   —Preceding undated comment added 21:04, 1 March 2010 (UTC). --Joshyslas (talk) 21:10, 1 March 2010 (UTC)JoshYslas
 * User has already !voted earlier.  Ty  11:43, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Being an active artist and having active projects does not constitute notability. GNews returns nothing on Mr. Toledo, for all his activity. Nobody is arguing that he doesn't exist, just that his notability hasn't been established. ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  22:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Comments
 * Docoofthemix has twice removed the AfD notice from the article ( and ).
 * In a post on my talk page Joshyslas makes it clear that he or she has a conflict of interest.
 * For the most part the two "keep" comments by Docoofthemix and the three by Joshyslas make no attempt to address any of the reasons given for deletion, but instead give us vague statements like "Simple detective work reveals a wealth of information" and "The overwhelming amout of content solidifies the articles place in the Wiki universe", without giving us any citations for this "wealth of information" or "overwhelming amout [sic] of content". The only case, in fact, where any attempt is made to answer the reasons given for deletion is the single statement by Docoofthemix that most of the "references" which I removed did mention David Toledo, contrary to what I said. Well, if anyone can show me where any of the following pages mentions either "David" or "Toledo" I shall be very grateful:      . (I have excluded links to MySpace, YouTube, etc from this list, but that still leaves just over half of the links, so if "most" of them mention David Toledo then it should not be difficult to find some amongst these.) JamesBWatson (talk) 12:27, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete per JamesBWatson. Does not pass WP:BIO, and the sockpuppet show above is just plain pitiful. Andrew Lenahan -  St ar bli nd  21:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment In this post to my talk page Docoofthemix makes a remark referring to my raising the question of Docoofthemix possibly having a conflict of interest. As far as I know I have not done so, but I have suggested that Joshyslas has a COI. I have invited Docoofthemix to remind me where I have suggested COI for Docoofthemix if I have, or to explain whether Docoofthemix and Joshyslas are two accounts belonging to the same person. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable and non-encyclopedic...Modernist (talk) 16:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete Sufficient secondary sources not provided to meet WP:N.  Ty  14:17, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete as per JamesBWatson. Edward321 (talk) 15:13, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.