Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Tristan Birkin


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 08:11, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

David Tristan Birkin

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written by multiplie sock puppets owned by article's subject, without citations Artberliner (talk) 17:38, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * new sockpuppets who's only edits are to this article Artberliner (talk) 19:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


 * — Artberliner (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Keep - While this article does need inline references and is apparently being updated by the subject of the article, there is no basis here for deletion. -- &#124;  Uncle Milty  &#124;  talk  &#124;  17:55, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 11:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:59, 26 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * To the nominator. One of our most important rules here is assume good faith. This article was created back in 2006 by User:NorthernThunder and I see no evidence that he's anybody's sock puppet. However, I see that you only have 3 edits, 2 to this discussion. One might wonder if you might be somebody's sock puppet if we were basing our judgement only on edit count. Therefore, since "sock puppetry" is the only reason you offer for why this article should be deleted, give me a reason why I shouldn't close this discussion right now. The only problem I see with the article is that while it appears to have sources, it lacks inline citations. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:25, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I am not a sock puppet. This article should only be removed from consideration for deletion. NorthernThunder (talk) 00:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep. I see no evidence of sockpuppetry. If anyone has a legitimate reason to delete the article, they can renominate it for deletion separately. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: On the subject of possible sockpuppets, there are two very suspicious SPA accounts (Dtb747) and DTB77) with initials matching the article subject and having only edited this article. Then there's a new issue that has come to light with the latest edits (another SPA?) that removed the subject's middle name from the entire article: Other than the birth year I find no concrete evidence anywhere that David Tristan Birkin (the actor) and David Birkin (the award-winning photographer/actor) are the same person. However, either one of them is notable enough for an article to exist. And one more issue: The nominator's user name leads me to believe there may be a COI issue with this nomination. Conspiracies abound. -- &#124;  Uncle Milty  &#124;  talk  &#124;  04:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure either. It's quite possible that they are both the same guy and he's trying to distance himself from his "child actor" career on Star Trek TNG and others. Here's his Memory Alpha entry. Perhaps we should revert to this revision until we can sort this out. It's unsourced but it doesn't include anything but the basics that are already on IMDB. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep as article on notable photographer article... Remove the "T" and rename "David Birkin (photographer)", until such time as it can be confirmed that this is that same person as "David Birkin (actor)"... which may be unlikely, as the photographer was taking pix in Afghanistan in 2004, Borneo in 2005, and Mongolia in 2006... and it would seem unlikely that someone who was performing as Silvius in Sir Peter Hall's production of As You Like It would be in two places at once. There is a website for award-winning photographer David Birkin born in 1977 who appears to have enough coverage] to meet WP:GNG through WP:CREATIVE.  I am willing to accept the co-incidence of there being two seperate persons having the same first and last name, and both being notable for different reasons. HOWEVER... if we can find an image or a reliable source that shows David Tristan Birkin (actor) to be the same person as David Birkin (photographer) the information in the earlier version can be included.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 10:03, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * If they're 2 different people then this article needs to be rolled back and a new article called David Birkin (photographer) needs to be created. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:11, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.