Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David W. Tucker


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep, given the additional sources added during the relist. –MuZemike 01:17, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

David W. Tucker

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Ok, this appears to be the last of the creations of and his sockpuppets remaining. Golden created several other articles that have all now been deleted because they turned out to be puffery based on weak, marginal, or unreliable sources. Here is what I believe I am seeing in the current references:
 * a user created website, created by Les Golden
 * the second and third ref are seemingly the same, an obituary that does verify some of the claims in the article
 * The fourth, according to the article text itself, is merely a letter to the editor written by one Les Golden.

For more background on this situation:
 * Articles for deletion/Les Golden
 * Articles for deletion/Near Earth Asteroid Reconnaissance Project
 * Articles for deletion/Center for Computational Astrophysics

Beeblebrox (talk) 04:37, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete inadequately sourced. The foreign tours could be notable, but they're not properly sourced, and they're likely self-sponsored tours (common) rather than paid concerts (which would imply commercial success). I also don't see any critical reviews of the person or his music. In short, this appears to be Golden's way of saluting a former mentor upon his passing - a simple misunderstanding regarding Wikipedia's purpose. Rklawton (talk) 12:28, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:35, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 14:35, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete No adequate sources. And I'm afraid this is not the last one: University of California Jazz Ensembles... --Crusio (talk) 15:55, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Sources added. Dmeros (talk) 18:37, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sources have two purposes. One is to verify the content of the article. The other is to establish the notability of the article subject. The sources you have added are the website of the California Band Alumni Association and the UC Jazz homepage. Those are fine for verification purposes, but they are of no value in establishing notability. What is needed for that is substantive coverage from reliable sources that are completely independent from the subject. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:47, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Hardly someone will compose such information for any reason. Common sense is good enough evidence. If someone will be interested in person - let them get information. (talk) 19:12, 5 November 2011 (UTC))


 * Comment FWIW, in the last two hours, the above user has added Keep ivotes to 12 AfDs using about the same text.Objective3000 (talk) 19:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And climbing.Objective3000 (talk) 19:56, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Blocked for disruption. Rklawton (talk) 20:03, 5 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:33, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

 COMMENT. Thank you for guiding me. The two new articles shows he's "notable." The jazz writer is editor of several music and jazz magazines. I didn't want to just copy it so I put it in a note. I hope that's okay. The article probably needs editing now but please don't remove this material that shows he's notable before the wikipedia judge can see it. Thanks. Dmeros (talk) 18:36, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep With the four new references, five references now verify content. Two references by reputable, independent sources support notability.  I believe all criteria for retaining the article are satisfied.   Thank you. Drlesmgolden (talk) 23:53, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Drlesmgolden has a conflict of interest as the subject of this biography was a personal friend of his. Rklawton (talk) 04:11, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment we can not accept self-published websites as reliable sources. Rklawton (talk) 00:05, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep References in Jazz educators journal : official magazine of the National Association of Jazz Educators that were removed need to be checked. User:Fred Bauder Talk 01:03, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Question So is it your position that all editors of this journal are automatically sufficiently notable for a biographical article? WorldCat lists 17 Jazz instruction and study related journals. Are all the editors of all those journals notable, too? And if I publish on my website something about me being an editor of one of these journals, can I have an article, too? Rklawton (talk) 04:08, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The point is that many libraries have archives of this magazine which may be consulted. One need not depend on copies of articles on self-published websites. User:Fred Bauder Talk 14:19, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

COMMENT: Hi. I'd like to clear up a misunderstanding here. The writer/editor of the Jazz Educators Journal article about Dr. Tucker was John Kuzmich. You can go back before it was removed to see that. Dr. Tucker did not write the article. Dr. Tucker didn't selfpublish the article. Thanks. Dmeros (talk) 16:42, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
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