Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David and the Giants (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  So Why  22:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

David and the Giants
AfDs for this article: 
 * ( [ delete] ) – (View AfD) (View log)

Doesn't seem to be notable. Band's albums are at afd. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP) 16:55, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete: As nominator of previous AFD of this article. Toddst1 (talk) 18:53, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep According to their Allmusic entry, they have albums on Myrrh and Word (both major label Christian sub-labels) as well as Epic and CBS, though the Giant Records they released on appears to be their own label, not one of the two notable other Giants. Checking Amazon confirms this and that they also were on Priority (though I can't confirm that it's the same as this label. Passes WP:MUSIC in any case. Article needs work and references, though. — Hello, Control Hello, Tony  15:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * With more digging I found 3 albums on Myrrh (the album listed as being on Word in Allmusic is likely due to Myrrh being a subsidiary of Word), 2 albums on Priority, and at least 2 singles on Capitol (in their secular days). There's got to be better references for this article, it seems like an interesting story—a working rock band for almost 15 years (Little Ricky was their drummer!) goes Christian and (sort-of) hits the big time for a little while, then continues to release albums on their own. And Northern soul heads are into their secular records from the late-'60s. — Hello, Control Hello, Tony  16:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: The band appeared on Epic on CBS after the independent label they were on, Priority Records was bought by EMI., so it's not as if they signed a contract with CBS or Epic. It appears that they came into the EPIC/CBS with the catalog along with all the other unknown artists on Priority as well as the notable ones Priority was bought for. Toddst1 (talk) 16:28, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I know; you said that in the last AFD. First, the albums came out on Myrrh—a major label. Whether they were reissues (and I didn't find anything to indicate that they were) or not, they were released by a major label. Also, note that EMI has no connection whatsoever to CBS or Epic, so I'm not sure how you drew that connection. Second, can you provide a verifiable references from a reliable source to back up your claims? Not that it would make a difference (see "First", above), I was just curious. — Hello, Control  Hello, Tony  17:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You are incorrect. EMI has a direct connection to Priority and Epic had a distribution deal with EMI in which Epic recordings were issued by EMI on the Columbia label before the contract with EMI expired at which point CBS Records formed a British Epic Records branch to market Epic label material.  See List_of_EMI_labels and Epic Records.    At the end of the day, I'd like to think that their notability was beyond just showing up in a catalog if they are truly notable. WP:MUSIC needs albums to be released on a major label - it doesn't say grandfathered. Toddst1 (talk) 17:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess you're right. I should have said "EMI has had no connection whatsoever to CBS or Epic since the sixties". But since the albums in question were released in the eighties, EMI's purchase of Priority does not explain how their albums ended up on Myrrh. — Hello, Control Hello, Tony  17:41, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  the skomorokh  20:18, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions.   -- Raven1977 (talk) 00:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I've added citations to articles in the Peoria Journal Star, the St. Petersburg Times, the Orlando Sentinel, and the San Antonio Express-News. I'd say the coverage is significant enough for WP:MUSIC criterion #1, so I am recommending keep. Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 04:45, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.