Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Davidkhanian Mansion (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) NemesisAT (talk) 15:49, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Davidkhanian Mansion
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Not notable. Source for purported notability is the Navisargian book, which is self-published and therefore not reliable. agt x 17:19, 28 June 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:21, 5 July 2022 (UTC) Relisting comment: So far it looks like a Keep, but it would be good to get more input. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MelanieN (talk) 02:49, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 17:33, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I can't immediately tell if this is explicitly on the Iran National Heritage List, but it appears significant for its architecture (evident already in photo of facade with columns, decorative motifs, and two-story porte-cochere), associations with important persons, and events having taken place within it, that it likely is on that list, and will meet general notability standards, and more. Unfortunately we in English Wikipedia have not much developed coverage of historic buildings and places in Iran; there was not yet even a Category:Historic buildings and structures in Iran until i created it just now. I will try to populate it. But this is like an AFD a year or two ago on a mansion in Delhi (i think), India, which dragged on until it was closed "Keep". There and here, we don't necessarily know the alternative names for the place in order run proper searches. Likely we won't have any participants who speak the relevant languages, or whi know much about built heritage in the country. This place is in Qazvin, formerly capital of the nation, and on historic Sepah Street. In the US it would be separately listed on the National Register of Historic Places and/or a significant contributing building in a NRHP-listed historic district. By the way, it is likely old enough to meet criteria of the National Heritage registry, i.e. have construction starting before 1784, end of a certain Iranian dynasty; all such are automatically deemed to be listed whether or not they show in our English Wikipedia list. Let's save time and simply "keep", though sure you can tag it to call for more sources and development. --Doncram (talk) 00:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment Searching on "Davidkhanian building, Qazvin" yields this Teheran newspaper article that reports 11 new 2022 heritage listings in Qazmin, not naming them all but some being mansions, and with one less-impressive building having a photo displayed. This mansion is already or will be listed, IMHO. And there will exist plenty of sources about it, though much off-line and perhaps calling it different names (including perhaps with some part of name Alexander Khan Setkhanian). --Doncram (talk) 09:05, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment/Question I see complaint in nomination re usage of source written by Navisargian. Perhaps that writer is not entirely independent or something. But is there any assertion of fact that is disputed, or questioned at all?  Another source, not in article, is this January 2022 opinion/op-ed piece by W.D. Wright, titled "Between New York and Tehran", dated January 6, 2022, appearing in Armenian Weekly.  W.D. Wright is a descendent. --Doncram (talk) 09:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Relisting comment: Broader participation need - 2 people is not enough to call it consensus Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Less Unless (talk) 18:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think the mansion is notable enough for its own article because when i searched it up multiple sources came up. `~HelpingWorld~` (👽🛸) 17:09, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. User:Doncram understands articles about historic buildings as well as any wikipedian, so I'm sure their instinct is first-rate. The two sources presented in their comments are from solid sources. More is surely available in Farsi. BusterD (talk) 00:32, 25 July 2022 (UTC)


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