Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dawnless Day


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Merge and redirect  to Middle-earth for the time being; if there is a better target (per Dhartung for example), please feel free to change that. Black Kite 00:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Dawnless Day

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This article has no notability established through reliable sources, and is just a repetition of a small aspect of the plot of the last book in the Lord of the Rings trilogy. As such, it should not have its own article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 00:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-Notable. No reliable sources added also.-- RyRy5 ( talk  ♠  wikify ) 00:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete nn, minor plot point. Alternatively, merge to the book. JJL (talk) 01:01, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, although if merged/redirected it would probably be best to include this in War of the Ring. --Dhartung | Talk 03:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Middle-earth; not deserving of its own article, but would fit here. JeremyMcCracken (talk) (contribs) 03:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge per JeremyMcCracken.--Berig (talk) 07:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment whilst donning fanboy cap. If you're going to put it in the history proper instead of as part of the war, then putting it in the "History of the world" article is macroscopically inappropriate by at least a power of two. The Third Age is 3021 years which are covered by two paragraphs in that article, and not a whole lot more even in Third Age. Again, we're talking one day out of 1.1 million days. A significant one, to be sure, but that article only covers the entire war in a couple of sentences. Perhaps a case might be made for a smerge of a line or two to Timeline of Arda, which already has an entry for the date. But I see this best as an actual stratagem by Sauron that should be considered a part of the war. --Dhartung | Talk 08:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge per JeremyMcCracken. - Ryan (me) (talk) 11:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Merge Non-notable by itself, but this could easily be added into the Middle-earth page because it fits in with the history aspect of Middle-earth. Alone, it is not worth a stand-alone article, but it is worth keeping on Wikipedia.  Razorflame 18:10, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. Non-notable fictional event. Seemingly minor in the story itself, and no coverage from any reliable secondary sources. Also, fails WP:NOT. Doctorfluffy (talk) 18:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge to Middle-earth. There's not enough for a stand alone article.-- danntm T C 21:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge, but not per any previous ideas: wouldn't it be better to merge it to the Battle of the Pelennor article? Nyttend (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions.   -- Fabrictramp (talk) 01:58, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * merge with suitable redirect which does not require afd. As a prominent named element in a very notable fiction it is worth the redirect. (Incidentally, has anyone actually checked the reliable sources on Tolkien to verify that it is not in fact commented on? That these articles are carelessly written does not mean then are unverifiable as notable. DGG (talk) 21:32, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.