Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dax Foundation


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. I just have no idea what is going on. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 13:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Dax Foundation
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 * Delete. Dax Foundation does not legally exist. There are no corporation documents. There are no IRS documents. The CEO Dave Weisman admitted to Santa Monica City Council that the corporation does not legally exist. It is merely a website. None of the accomplishments of this non-existent corporation can be verified.LouisBrownstone (talk) 18:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. The article includes several references to this foundation from reliable sources. I really do not know the facts about this foundation, but I watched the video in which Weisman allegedly admitted that the foundation did not legally exist. He does not say in the video that the foundation does not legally exist. I am not claiming that it does legally exist, just that the allegation that Weisman admitted it did not exist is inaccurate. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * DELETE. There are no reliable main stream independent references to the supposed foundation. In the wiki entry one reference is a press release which the "foundation" wrote themselves. Another is an article about tigers in which Dave Weisman comments and says he's with a "foundation" yet the foundation has nothing to do with the article. The other references have to do with an Oscar which Dave Weisman bought. Again, nothing to do with the foundation. There is no valid mainstream media references for this organization which doesn't even legally exist. I just viewed the YouTube video. At 3:53 Dave Weisman states "it is a public benefit corporation founded in June 2007 that is transitioning into a 509 a3 corporation. It is not a non-profit corporation." This could not be verified by any means through government sites. I believe if Wiki allows this page to stay they will be contributing to fraud on the public.LACityAnimals (talk) 19:51, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * KEEP. The Dax Foundation is an active California Public Benefit Corporation as is indicated on the California Business Portal.  As for IRS status, that is not published until an IRS determination letter has been approved.  This may take up to five years from the date of submission.  There are dozens of articles and stories on the Dax Foundation published by reputable sources.  Just hit Dax Foundation on Google and dozens, including BBC, CBS, Los Angeles Times, etc pop right up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morninggloria (talk • contribs) 20:20, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * DELETE DELETE. I just went to the California Business Portal and searched. Here is the link so everyone can search. http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/list.html There is no listing for "dax foundation." What is this bull? I have three non-profit organizations of my own. I got my IRS determination letter in six weeks. That five years story is bull. There are press releases written by Dave Weisman on the internet. Some media picked up his press releases and reposted them. There is no independent verification. Can I start a page called the Roberta Ortega foundation, call myself a public benefit corporation, never make it legal, then just write phony press releases saying I have $75,000,000 and saved rare mice on an island in New Guinea? If so, I will be starting the Roberta Ortega foundation page if the Dax page stays up. In fact, I just found the form to report a fake corporation, filling it out now, in the mail by morning. Wiki, don't let the public get defrauded by this non-existent organization. Weisman should start a real corporation and file 990 tax forms like the rest of us so we can all see what he's really doing.RobertaOrtega (talk) 01:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete . I just read the last edit on the page. That refers to a corporation called "Dax." It is not the "Dax Foundation." I don't see Dave's name there. IRS does not recognize a "dax" corporation. There is no "dax" corporation in guidestar.com . I see no board of directors listed online but I think you made a huge mistake. Jennifer Conrad would never be on his board of directors, see recent news. Weisman thinks is great to barbarically declaw cats while Dr. Conrad is totally against the inhumane practice. She would have never been on any board where they offer "free declaw and ear cropping surgeries." She is absolutely against declawing and ear cropping. There are no "five Dax clinics in LA." Please, provide addresses. I don't know who wrote that entry but that is very wrong and disturbing. Also, most of the activities which Dax takes credit for are unverified and were done years before the entity ever exists. These events took place in 1999, 2003 when the group was supposedly not formed until mid 2007. Something is fishy here. LouisBrownstone (talk) 01:53, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Your "delete" recommendation as the nominator is already being taken into account and doesn't need to be duplicated. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:04, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep I reviewed the Cal Business portal and sec of state documents for Dax and see that it is a valid and active california corporation with three directors.  I also viewed the corporation's IRS Letter of Determination request from 2007 and it lists the company as a valid corporation seeking private foundation status.  The company has verifiable links to several charitable animal, human, and arts programs.  It also conducted business in 2007 selling an academy award.  I reviewed the website and believe that the comment that the foundation offers taildocking and declawing was placed maliciously and I removed them until a source is provided.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Morninggloria (talk • contribs) 17:42, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Your "keep" recommendation above is already being taken into account and doesn't need to be duplicated. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 23:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep My goodness I had no idea there were so many changes to this article recently!  I drafted and placed this article six months ago after being in a meeting with the Executive Director of the Dax Foundation, Mr. Weisman. I joined a task force they are heading inwhich we are aggressively addressing drought conditions in East Africa. There is nothing non-existent or mysterious about the project.  It is wonderful!  I have no knowledge of their involvement with cat declawing, but have been exposed to many other programs that are very worthwhile and humanitarian. I am not aware of any part of the artcle that is untrue or misleading.  I have just done a search on the Dax Foundation and have seen 25 independent articles from reliable sources on their work in just the last 120 days.  Do I need to post them?AndreaSheffield (talk) 18:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * DELETE Morninggloria. One, you voted twice. Can't do that. Two, how can we view these corporation documents? Please, post a link or I don't believe you. Dr. Jennifer Conrad most certainly was not on the Board of Directors. She is against declawing, ear, tail cropping. I searched the internet and only see press releases written by Dave Weisman which some media copy/pasted. Anyone can write a press release and say they have $75,000,000. In this case it's not true. I saw the Santa Monica City Council video. The Councilmembers called Dave Weisman the CEO of Dax on the fact that the corporation is not a legal non-profit. Plus, how can it take credit for things which happened years before it was formed. Another thing, their "corporate offices" are an efficiency suite where people just get mail. There are quite a few businesses with the same exact address. AndreaSheffield, are you being paid by Dave Weisman to consult, post, speak, lobby?Arte de America (talk) 19:11, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Arte de America. I'm not sure what your motivations are in making your mean-spirited comments, but you clearly are an angry and bitter person.  I am not employed by the Dax Foundation in any way and chose to document some of their good work that I have first-hand knowledge of. That is the what makes Wikipedia such a powerful informational tool.  I will be contacting Mr. Weisman and sharing your views and the status of this article with him.  I did not receive their permission to post this site, but will update them on what you and others are attempting to turn it into.  As for the money in the foundation I have no idea how much other than in participating in private budget meetings and seeing a balance sheet.  I also am involved with two of their programs that are very well-funded.  I am not aware of any press releases as you call them they have ever been made about money.  Please provide the link to this release.  As for the video you discuss I watched it this morning and saw no mention of what you are talking about.  I saw Mr. Weisman state that the company was formed in 2007 and is going through some type of IRS certification.  Just because you keep saying it does not make it true.  Please review the Dax Foundation website www.daxfoundation.org and it states clearly that they are opposed to elective declaw except in the case that the animal's life is threatened.  Doesn't sound to me like someone who condones earcropping and declawing. You should move on with your life and do something important rather than tearing down the good work of a good group.AndreaSheffield (talk) 19:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * DELETE I was at the Santa Monica City Council meeting. The councilmember asked Weiss if his corporation was a legal non-profit. He said "no." The IRS doesn't recognize "Dax" or "Dax Foundation." It doesn't take two years to get the IRS letter. It takes a few weeks. I see within the last two days Dave added an application to become a public benefit corporation to his website. We don't know if he sent it in. It's not signed. Hmm, maybe I'll send this to the IRS for him. He lists income but has never filed a 990 tax return. I see on that application that he lists Dr. Conrad as the Director. She is definitely not the director. To Andrea, Dave spoke for the Dax foundation at city council. He stated he is FOR declawing cats. There's a video on YouTube. Search his name and watch the video. Dr. Conrad is opposed to declawing. Search Google news. KittiesNeedClaws (talk) 22:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * KittesNeedClaws/RobertaOrtega/LACityAnimals/MaryCummins/LACyberstalker, or whoever you are.. You're "facts" are incorrect and Metropolitan90 and others have pointed that out to you already. Maybe you should actually watch the video that you are referring to, as have the reputable Wikipedia members that have told you that your claims are false. You are incorrect about the mechanics of an IRS determination letter, you are incorrect about the status of the Dax Foundation, and you are incorrect about the lack of verifiable links to reliable sources for the Dax Foundation. There is also no application to become a public benefit corporation letter that I could find on the Dax site.  I spoke with him about your comments and your vandalism and he laughed and asked me to take down my article.  I have watched the video in Santa Monica and he specifically stated that he was AGAINST the declawing of cats, but opposed a ban that would eliminate a last resort option to save the life of an animal.  You really are a sick person and I encourage you to seek help.  As for Dr. Conrad having been on the board of the Dax Foundation he stated that she has been removed.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by AndreaSheffield (talk • contribs) 22:39, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * AndreaSheffield, or whoever (Dave) you are, the page is down. You voted to keep it then you deleted it. The top of that pdf document says "Application for Recognition of Exemption." It is not a determination letter. It's an application that is not signed. In fact, it's dated October 2007 yet they included financial information from all of 2008 and 2009, fishy. A determination letter is a one page signed letter on IRS letterhead which states "you are now recognized as a non-profit corporation." Even before you get that letter you get a letter confirming receipt of your application. For you to look at that "application" and call it a determination letter is crazy. Arte de America (talk) 23:07, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.