Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Day of the Ninja


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Merge to Ninja Burger. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-25 05:42Z 

Day of the Ninja

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Nom - This is another one of those Internet driven made up holidays. Fails WP:N, article has no WP:RS in spite of 38,000 g-hits (which taken alone isn't notable). Will this "holiday" be around in another ten years? Not likely. Another editor suggested this article be merged, but there's little to actually merge, so I've nominated it for deletion. Rklawton 16:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect and merge any other critical information into Ninja Burger that isn't already there. Leebo 86 16:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect and merge if necessary. The material was already on the Ninja Burger page to begin with and was split out this year when the holiday got popular. It is still mentioned on the Ninja Burger website and thus deserves to be part of that article. It is worth pointing out, however, that people here also considered wiping [|International Talk Like a Pirate Day] from Wikipedia, which is also "another one of those Internet driven made up holidays". Everything will be non-notable if you delete it the year after it begins to gain traction. If this article fails WP:N or WP:RS then a long hard look needs to be given to the Talk Like a Pirate Day article because it fails on many of the same criteria. Will that "holiday" be around in another ten years? In particular, it is worth noting that the pirate article's intro is almost identical in size and function to the Day of the Ninja one, yet for some reason it is considered adequate while the Ninja one is considered lacking. Also worth questioning is the assertion that there is no WP:RS, which is patently false; the Picsou Magazine coverage is at the very least the equivalent of Talk Like a Pirate Day's Dave Barry article, if not superseding it since it includes an international audience. However, all that said, I still think it belongs with the Ninja Burger article, which is where it was originally. aeonite 17:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment the "if we have 'X' then we should keep 'Y'" line of argument has long been discredited. We need to evaluate this article on its own merits (or lack thereof).  As a "holiday" - this day simply doesn't exist.  Rklawton 17:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment My previous comment here did somewhat fail to separate my main point from my tangential commentary. My main reasoning for Redirect and merge is that the content was originally on the Ninja Burger page, and was split out. The content was considered adequate when it was just a subtopic of that page. Thus, it would seem that deleting it would be unwarranted - carve and purge seems less palatable to me than simply restoring an earlier, acceptable state of affairs. I agree that as far as most of the world is concerned, the holiday does not exist, but then neither does Ninja Burger. It seems a fictional holiday might merit a discussion on a page about a fictional company, even if it does not warrant its own page. aeonite
 * Question - that sounds reasonable - but does the fictional company rates an article? Rklawton 18:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - I think so; although the company is fictional, the two published RPGs, best-selling card game, and published book (from the same line as the Real Ultimate Power book and Maddox's Alphabet of Manliness), are quite real and notable. aeonite
 * Question - so who (or what) is publishing this stuff if the company isn't real? Rklawton 20:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Ninja Burger is a fictional fast food company, the focus of the above mentioned published materials. The creators designated "Day of the Ninja" within the context of the Ninja Burger fans. Does that clarify it? Leebo 86 20:41, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Reply - yes, thanks. I just looked at the website, and it doesn't look particularly notable on its own, either.  A lot of subjects are covered by RPGs, books, or movies, but I'm not sure that makes them notable either.  That's a topic, though, for a different talk page.  This all does help reenforce the idea that a made up holiday within a possibly non-notable website probably isn't worth its own article.  Rklawton 20:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I have my doubts about Ninja Burger's notability. I may investigate it a bit more to see if that needs its own article either. Leebo 86 20:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.