Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dazzle (fabric)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The overall consensus is that this article does not belong in Wikipedia, as it appears to be a failed brand name for a generic fabric, without reliable-source coverage referring to it by this name. has found some potentially promising sources referring to an identical or similar fabric which may support an article, but (a) the exact name of the fabric is not immediately obvious and (b) it would surprise me if anything in this article actually made it into a new version, completely unsourced as it is. I am absolutely happy to provide the content of this article in userspace/draftspace if Enby or anyone else does want to have a go at an "athletic mesh" type article, and thinks anything might be usable. ~ mazca  talk 12:07, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Dazzle (fabric)

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I speedied this a couple of years ago. I discovered it when tidying List of fabrics, which I still revisit from time to time, and it should have gone then. A marketeers/spindoctors failed fabric name, the article still has no sources, and people who discover the wisegeek "article" will find it to be bereft of facts. This term, for what appears to be a type of "waffle" fabric, has never gained acceptance worldwide.

Listing here to avoid Project ARSehole removing another speedy. (Note:I'm not saying they removed it last time) Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 12:15, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete, I was unable to find anyone describing this material, not even in ads, only some e-commerce listings. The WiseGeek source is a re-wording of our article. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:56, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete and amend the templates linking to it. Nothing article worthy here. --Paul Carpenter (talk) 10:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename to "Athletic mesh". Agreed on points above -- "dazzle" seems to be a failed marketing term and there are no good sources about it. How about renaming the article "Athletic mesh" and adding more info with sources? That seems to be the term it's sold under and I found a few books that include it.   I think it's distinct from waffle fabric which is raised and usually cotton while athletic mesh is flat and usually (always?) polyester. If we decide to keep, I'd be happy to add to the article, rename it, and amend the templates linking to it. I could get a photograph added too. Enby (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * P.S. I'm not sure what "Project ARSehole" is, so for what it's worth, I don't think I'm a member. Enby (talk) 15:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Your sources do not support "Athletic mesh" -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 15:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello. The links I included -- first two are reference guide sources, last one is just an example of the term it's sold under -- include and describe "athletic mesh", so I'm going to guess that's not the issue. If you're saying that the sources don’t use the word "dazzle" and equate it to "athletic mesh", I agree. I thought that the description in the article of "dazzle" ("Dazzle is a type of polyester fabric that is widely used in making clothes such as basketball uniforms [...] distinguished by the pattern of tiny holes") and descriptions in the books of "athletic mesh" ("Fabric name: Athletic mesh [...] This is classic basketball-jersey mesh, made with skipped stitches to create holes in the fabric") seemed to reference the same thing. I've now done a Google image search and see that most e-commerce listings of dazzle fabric show a visually slightly different material, often with "sports mesh" in the listing name. I had offered to upload a photo of athletic mesh which would clarify exactly what was being referenced in this article. If you're saying the reference guides aren't good quality sources, I'll mention that they were just what I found in a couple minutes of searching, but an interested editor may be able to find better ones. Since you overwrote your earlier comment I'll just say that again, my suggestion is to improve the article by renaming it "athletic mesh" and adding content about "athletic mesh" with sources, because "dazzle" is a fabric that is similar to or the same as "athletic mesh" but there are no good sources for "dazzle". I'm not interested in a scuffle and you don't seem interested in friendly discussion, so I'll respectfully not engage further. Enby (talk) 17:04, 28 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Products-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 15:21, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 15:21, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.