Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/De La Salle University (Indonesia)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:22, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

De La Salle University (Indonesia)

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Long, unsourced article on a university. I strongly suspect that this is the copy of the school's prospectus. If not it is WP:OR Travelbird (talk) 08:16, 27 January 2011 (UTC) "The Manado project was another important result of regional solidarity. Universitas Katolik De La Salle - Manado began to function in September 2000 on a property leased from the Bishop. It functioned originally with lay volunteers from the Philippines, and later with a local Indonesian staff. The DLSU, Manila, supervised the initial operations and then handed it over officially to the District of the Philippines. Its legal status is that the property is owned by the Bishop and Brother Armin Luistro as founding members, who in law cannot dispose of the property. University administration comes under a Board of Management."
 * Comment: refs for article appear to be pointing to a university in the Philippines of the same name instead of the university in Indonesia.--Shirt58 (talk) 12:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 00:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, although it could certainly use cleanup. Plowing through sources from Indonesia and the Philippines can be a challenge.  An article at a Lasallian website explains the school's relationship to the well-known university in the Philippines:
 * This is also discussed in reliable sources about Armin Luistro (currently education secretary of the Philippines) and at the university's history page Searches for <"de la Salle" "Manado"> and <"Universitas Katolik De La Salle"> turn up a variety of articles and books that confirm the school's existence and history. --Arxiloxos (talk) 18:30, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment That may be. However that still doesn't change the fact that the text is almost certainly a copyvio. Travelbird (talk) 18:31, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's certainly possible, but no copyrighted source has been identified and I didn't come across one. And no one seems to have asked the creator of the article before bringing this to AfD.  --Arxiloxos (talk) 19:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions.  —Arxiloxos (talk) 19:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions.  —Arxiloxos (talk) 19:00, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Even if we assume that it isn't a copyright infringement - the article is still almost entirely unsourced.
 * We could stub it and leave only the info that is sourced, but I'm not really a great fan of just keeping an article that is so questionable just for the sake of having a stub essentially stating only that this university exists. There's no problem re-creating the article in the future (or even keeping it now) if someone actually wants to do a fundamental re-write. Travelbird (talk) 20:52, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * An explanation: This university (which has only 10 years of existence) was founded according to the model and under assistance of DLSU-Manila; that is why the latter's wikipedia article has been used during editing as a temporary basis for a new article about DLSU-Manado. However, it has been listed for a long time in Lasallian educational institutions (not to mention an Indonesian page titled 'Universitas Katolik De La Salle'). Improvements to come shortly. EtienneC (talk) 02:26, 31 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EtienneC2011 (talk • contribs)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:45, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Keep with clean-up: Universities are almost universally agreed to be notable, and as mentioned above it is verifiable. The article as stands seems to be in major need of clean-up (grammar in particular, as common for lower-prominence Indonesia articles), but that's about it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:53, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hope this helps: Various changes on the article, third-party sources added.EtienneC (talk) 03:00, 7 February 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by EtienneC2011 (talk • contribs)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.